Talk:Green Left (Denmark)

Global Greens

The article states that "SF became a full member of the Global Greens in 2014". But Wikipedia's article on the Global Greens classes them as an observer, not a full member. More to the point, the official Global Greens website also classes SF as an associate member, not a full member. https://www.globalgreens.org/member-parties So either they didn't in fact become a full member in 2014, or they did and then changed their minds subsequently. 86.186.41.29 (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Name change to Green Left

@Vif12vf: See e.g.

• https://sf.dk/om-sf/about-sf-in-english/
• https://europeangreens.eu/riga-2022/005-egp-membership-list-annex-b-egp-statutes
• https://dipd.dk/en/node/137 Kaihsu (talk) 10:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Changing the color of Green Left

Previously the color we used for the party wass  . However the logo they have on their website is  .

Even more importantly no media associates the party with any of these colors. Examples are DR, TV2 and the official site of the parliament Folketinget. Instead they use  ,   and   respectively. All these colors are more or less Hot Pink.

The colors we use for Danish People's Party and Liberal Alliance are the same colors as the media use and NOT the colors of their logos. Therefore to have it make sense I've changed the color of Green Left to Hot Pink, as it's clearly how the media portrays them, and so it becomes the color strongly associated with the party. If we kept the previous color, readers could end up confusing the party with the Social Democrats who uses a very similar color to the one we used for Green Left. @ Thomediter (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

You failed to gain consensus for your proposal when you first tried it, so to sneak it back in a few weeks later (and then have the gall to refuse to follow BRD and force it back in) is absolutely appalling behaviour. The colour used matches the party logo and is the most appropriate colour to use. Number 57 20:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

It is not, because it confuses the party with the Social Democrats, and we can not use one type of logic for Danish People's Party + Liberal Alliance, but then use a completely different logic for this party. Thomediter (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

The colours of the Social Democrats and Green Left are not confusing. Number 57 20:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

They are confusing because people are used to seeing the almost exact same colors we used for Green Left here, being used for Social Democrats in any other media, (I've linked to the 3 largest medias, even the parliament's site which you somehow manages to sweep away).

I would understand if it was just one media who used Hot Pink for this party - but it is our 2 largest tv stations, and also the freaking official site of the parliament. It's not just anybody.

Die Linke - Liberal Alliance and - Danish People's Party all use the same color that the mass media associates them with, so therefore it is only sensible to use the same logic for this party.

Just check out the maps made here and here (not made by me). They also use Hot Pink.

It does not make sense to use the color for Green Left that the media use for Social Democrats, it's terribly confusing.

Are you even from Denmark? Thomediter (talk) 20:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

What various media companies do is not particularly relevant. On Wikipedia the usual practice is to use colours that match party logos. And where I am from is completely irrelevant; you don't have any more right than me to edit a Denmark-related article because you are from Denmark. Number 57 21:01, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

It is not so much about having more right to edit it because I'm from Denmark. I can undestand if that sounded a bit too arrogant and apologize for my choice of words there. What I mean is that I associate myself with Danish politics on a nearly-daily basis, and therefore have a good idea about which colors are associated with what.

I still have to emphasize that Die Linke - Liberal Alliance - Danish People's Party - DUP - Socialist Left Party - Christian Democratic Party - Swedish People's Party of Finland - Fine Gael - Lega - Forza Italia are some parties who use another color code than their logo color, because the media associates them with another color.

I just become a bit frustrated to see the popular color of Social Democrats being used on a different party on Wikipedia. I don't think it makes sense. If you are not completely familiar with the english names of the parties, you can very easily believe that the info we have on Wikipedia about Green Left is information about the Social Democrats.

I don't ever see this color for Green Left in the media, and so Wikipedia standing out in a wrong way, if they don't represent the common perception of the parties in Denmark.

Why does it matter so much to you?

I spent a lot of time making articles about Danish elections, so it matters a lot to me.

(Sorry if I've sounded too rude)

Best regards, thomediter Thomediter (talk) 21:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

in this case i am for dark red Braganza (talk) 21:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough :)

However, it's stated on the page of Third opinion, that argumentation is needed, and therefore this cannot be considered valid until argumentation is providedThomediter (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Braganza: To stop Thomediter deleting your comment again, could you explain your rationale? Cheers, Number 57 22:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

SF is a democratic socialist party and these usually have darker colors and this is the case for the logos of A & SF Braganza (talk) 05:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

No because "A" do not use dark red on here, they use a brighter red. But they use it on media. This is not so much about the principle of saying that Democratic Socialist parties use a specific color. We can't really do that, because it's not a logic we use for all the democratic socialist parties, and if we demanded a certain ideology to have certain color, then we'd have to change the US Democrats color too, just because red is associated with the more left wing party usually. Take a look at this party too, it has red in the logo, but because it's portrayed with purple in the media, we use purple for it on here. Thomediter (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

this is true but in Denmark the colors of the logos match the usual political colors Braganza (talk) 06:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Dispute - Asking for a third opinion.

The color code being used for Green Left is being discussed. The current color code being used is  . This color is being used due to the image of their logo on the party's page.

The discussion revolves around whether this should be maintained as the color.

The arguments for keeping the current color code   is

• We should use the color of the party's logo on wikipedia
• The colors of Green Left   and Social Democrats on here are not confusing

While the arguments for changing the current color code to  

• The media (DR, TV2, parliament site) in Denmark uses Hot Pink for the party, and there is a personal analysis that the reason the media uses Hot Pink is to make it stand out from other parties
• Other parties such as Danish People's Party and Liberal Alliance uses their media color instead of their logo color on Wikipedia

Thomediter (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

From [1] it seems a pink F is one of the symbols often used for them, so perhaps not unjustified to include it as one of the options in the infobox? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Use pink. We should use the party colors that reliable sources do. Both state broadcasters and the Folketing's official website - ft.dk - use the color pink to distinguish the party from other parties., In addition, using red is confusing to any reader when the Social Democrats are also depicted with red. Gust Justice (talk) 12:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)