Talk:Wage reform in the Soviet Union, 1956–1962

Article title?

Just wondering: perhaps Wage reform in the Soviet Union, 1956–1962? Wage reform is a topic, but not an official program name, to need two capitals. And there either needs to be a comma or brackets, separating off the years. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, made the move. Coolug (talk) 09:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

FA Congratulations

Well done. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Article reliance on Filtzer

This is very interesting article, but extremely reliant on Filtzer. I find it worrisome that a featured article is practically a summary of a single book. 186.221.130.116 (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree, looking at the sources it seems that its mostly Filtzer and therefore a work reflective of that work, its can hardly be a Featured article for that reason. JTBX (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Really, where in the featured article criteria does it say that? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I submitted this as a TFA candidate largely because I wanted an article covering economic history. That subject is under-represented for TFA. It's kind of too late now, so I suggest bringing this up with those who reviewed the article for FA status. You can see the FA review here. You can also make a suggestion to change the FA criteria to include not being reliant on a single source. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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• (reply to Mark Arsten) Don't think anything about that is in the criteria. There's plenty of featured articles that depend on very few book sources that aren't readily available, often with an emphasis on only one. Anyway, it's already a featured article. And I, for one, enjoyed it and found it very informative and clear in its explanations. Is there a POV concern, or what? (Wikipedia is a summary, per rules, or synthesis of several sources, so what's the big deal?) MathewTownsend (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, that was sarcasm on my part, which doesn't come across that well online. I've actually seen a few FAs that are largely dependent on one source. All the criteria says is "thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature", in some edge cases, only one or two individuals have written a lot about a subject. John Edward Brownlee as Attorney-General of Alberta comes to mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Post-Stalinist Soviet labour history focusing on wage structures is a fairly constricted field of study. Filtzer pretty much exhausts the scholarly literature. For example, nobody cites Filtzer (1989) "The Soviet Wage Reform of 1956-1962" Soviet Studies. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi 186.221.130.116, if you can find any other high quality sources that discuss this event please let me know where they are and I would be happy to add any interesting information to the article. By the way, thanks for nominating the article Harizotoh9! cya Coolug (talk) 16:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to check out the Filtzer (1989) journal article I cited, for differences with the book? Fifelfoo (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I had a look at that soviet studies article back when I first started the article, it's basically the same as what Filtzer eventually put in his book. Pretty much word for word. Coolug (talk) 09:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Great article, but who or what is a "Filtzer" in the first place? 96.248.6.7 (talk) 13:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)Moi

Donald Filtzer, a scholar. In particular his 1992 Cambridge University Press book, Soviet Workers and de-Stalinization. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• Are there other sources you know of that address the topic more comprehensively? I think this is a great article. Unlike many featured articles, I can actually understand it. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey thanks! I tried to write an article that would be accessible to regular people who haven't spent their lives buried in books about economics, because give or take a couple of modules on russian stuff at uni I'm pretty much a beginner at this stuff too. There are far too many articles on this project written by guys with phd's who seem to think everyone else understands as much as they do about quantum mechanics and the layman should go get himself a degree in astrophysics before reading the article. Cya! Coolug (talk) 14:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

They generally did this to ensure that their factory could run smoothly, rather than out of concern for the workers' personal welfare

This seems like it was placed for ideological reasons, and the statement doesn't have a citation. A regular editor should have a look into this--24.251.69.25 (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Check out the next two sentences: "The erratic and seemingly arbitrary way that quotas had been set across different industries led to a high level of uncompleted production in industries where it was more difficult to overfulfill production quotas.[8] Managers therefore tried to keep quotas deliberately low to attract workers to their factories to ensure their factories were able to meet their targets.[11]" - explaining why this was as it was. Coolug (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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