Talk:Sports-related curses

Buffalo Sports Curse Merge Discussion

Comment, I'm indifferent to merging or keeping, but most of the other "curses" on the sports-related curses article have their own main article. If we were to by guided by that precedent at all, it would lead me to a weak keep. --Cjs56 14:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it worth noting in the Buffalo Sports Curse that although the Bulls lost the 2009 International Bowl, they did beat Ball State and won the conference championship? I think that winning a conference championship is at least as big as winning a bowl game (especially with the ineptitude that previous Bulls teams had in the MAC). Ypsidan (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Not so many citations needed

I don't think citations are needed in cases where the citation could be "look up the stats." For example, the Tampa Bay curse has "citation needed" 3 times. One does not need to cite something else that gives the facts of teams having lost to Tampa Bay. It's a compiled fact, not a piece of research. Any one with common sense can choose to verify it by checking results of past games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.129.47 (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

2007 Ohio Sports Curse? Maybe not

After the Columbus Destroyers lost to the San Jose Sabercats in the Arena Bowl, a student writer in one of the Ohio State campus newspapers suggested a few reasons why four straight Ohio-based teams, both collegiate and professional, reached the final in their respective sports, only to fail to win the final, ending up number two. Among the scapegoats were the 2004 election and fallen former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett. Now with the Tribe having lost to the Red Sox, the "curse" might have extended, but then again, since football seasons are labeled by the starting year, we have yet to determine the fate of the 2007-2008 Buckeyes (Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan will be tough). This curse is somewhat tied into the Cleveland sports drought, as two of the teams involved in this "curse", the Cavaliers and Indians, are in Cleveland.

I personally do not believe in real curses. As Manny Ramirez said after winning the 2004 World Series MVP, you make your own destiny. The first of the second place/runner-up finishes was the only shocker because of the great expectations of the Troy Smith-led Buckeyes and the completely lopsided result. (I personnally think Big Ten and SEC teams should really play each other more often in the regular season.) The NCAA Basketball Final Two was as big a deal because the same schools faced each other (Florida and Ohio State), but this time, the Buckeyes were the underdog because Florida was the defending champion (those basketball Gators certainly had a chance at a three-peat if all could have stayed, but good luck to those players now). After that, the Cavaliers (versus the Spurs, whom even the 2005 Pistons couldn't beat) and Destroyers (totally a Cinderella story, but the Sabercats were like the Spurs in their league) were total underdogs.

However, there will still be some who would add this jinx here, but if it lasts only one year, then it is not too worth mentioning. Of course, if one of these teams acts like the ninties Bills...

DaDoc540 20:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Breaking the Curse Without Breaking the Curse

I have an issue with the notion of breaking a curse. For example, "The Curse of the Black Sox was a superstition or scapegoat cited as a reason for the failure of the Chicago White Sox to win the World Series from 1917 until 2005. It was finally broken when the White Sox won the World Series in 2005." No. If you have an outside event, in this case the Black Sox scandal, that imposes a curse of a World Series drought, then you would have to have an outside event intervene in order to lift the curse. If, for example, baseball lifted the expulsions of the Black Sox, and the White Sox won the Series after that, that makes sense. In other words, if opening a door represents winning the World Series and the Black Sox scandal represents locking the door, then how did the 2005 White Sox open the door without unlocking it? You have to remove the curse before you can do the thing that the curse prevents you from doing. If the Black Sox prevented the White Sox from winning all those years, then how did they win without doing anything to the Black Sox? They didn't; they lost all those years all by themselves. I'm not picking on who added the White Sox Curse to the list; this goes for the 1940 New York Rangers too. I just added the Curse of Nolan Ryan to the article, so if there really is such a curse the Mets would have to hire Ryan as a pitching coach or something like that before they have their first no-hitter.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not pooh-poohing the notion of a sports curse. I would say that the Red Sox broke their curse not by winning the World Series (if the curse is that you don't win the Series, you have to break the curse before you win the Series), but by making the Yankees, the team at the heart of the Curse of the Bambino, the first baseball team ever to blow a 3-0 lead in a seven game series. Jimpoz (talk) 19:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Lombardi Limitation

I can think on the top of my head that the steelers chuck Null and the Patriots Bill Belichick have one twice in arrow so obviously its not a curse or limitation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.137.117.166 (talk) 04:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment: No, not wrong. Those teams were limited to exactly two in a row, and that's what the curse says.

Remove Curse of Detroit

Since Anaheim won the 2007 Stanley Cup, there is no need to keep the Curse of Detroit, unless there's a valid reason...--24.78.101.193 (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible Explanation for Seattle Curse

Not gonna do any digging to back it up, though anyone who's lived in Seattle can verify that the climate of 'heavily overcast most of the year' isn't very conducive to some sports. Noting that the NBA holds their Final Four in March (tail end of the gloomier skies) while the NFL season starts in Fall, aka when the clouds start showing up in the calendar year in Seattle. As this is just discussion I'm just throwing this out there for it.

68.98.76.217 (talk) 03:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Tampa Bay Curse (Lightning)

It should be noted that according to NHL records, Tampa Bay did not technically endure four consecutive 50 loss seasons. When the NHL made the change to start counting overtime losses (OTLs) separate, the change was made retroactive to I believe the previous year. As a result, all of the games the Lightning lost in overtime that year were converted to OTLs, bringing their straight loss total to below 50 games and absolved them of that dubious mark. It's a stupid technicality, but it should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.226.249 (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Red Auerbach: 1917-2006

As far as the Curse of Len Bias is concerned, I think another coincidence that should definitely be taken into consideration is Red Auerbach's date of birth and year of his death: Red was born in 1917, and he died in 2006. Coincidence? I think not. Mr. Brain (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a lot of curses

I understand sports fans and players are a superstitious bunch, but I think a lot of these curses are a little silly. Some of these seem to be in the realm of "my team didn't go undefeated and win the championship game 400-0, so there might be a curse." In every sport, only one of the 30-something teams gets to win a championship, everybody else will fall short. I think for a sports related curse to be on this page, it should have to be a REALLY noticeable, strong curse. The Curse of the Bambino, The Billy Goat Curse, and the Cardinals Football curse are strong examples of this imo. The Bay Area curse is not to me. While I think the Giants were the better team over the Angels in the World Series (and the Giants would've won in 6 games had Dusty Baker simply left Russ Ortiz in the game), losing a championship game is not an indicatior of a curse, since many teams do that every season. I personally think there is a curse (imaginitavely though, I don't really believe in curses) on the Los Angeles Lakers due to the game 6 horrid officiating against the Kings in the Western Finals in 2002, that the Lakers will never win a championship until giving the trophy to Sacramento who deserves it, but if I were to put that up on this page, it will just get more congested. The Curse of Detroit is pretty silly too. Detroit has had an awesome team for years. Beating them is an indication that you have a good team yourself, so why is it surprsing that said team would advance to the finals? Also thought the Curse of Denis Potvin was kinda lame. I'm sure Potvin wasn't the only player who retired that year from that team, why aren't they the reason for the curse? And the 1969 curse... a team lost the NLCS, so they're cursed? I get that it's notable that they passed the Mets to win the division, but there was only 5 other teams in the division that season. That not that big a coincidence that they passed the same team that blocked them from the '69 World Series. Am I missing something here? Long story short (too late) this list should be seriously trimmed down to highly noticeable curses like the ones mentioned above. Leave out the "X team hasn't won a championship in 4 years, and last time they won a championship, I dropped my team hat on the ground on accident, so that must mean they're cursed" stories out of here. 63.81.133.153 (talk) 19:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup, pretty please?

This is an awful, awful article, a big mess of original research, synthesis and just plain made up stuff. Would anyone object if any material of dubious notability that isn't sourced and/or linked to a standalone article removed wholesale? --Mosmof (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

By all means! I'd be down to work over this with you if you want (and if nobody has any major objections over losing the well-known and infamous Curse O' Les Boulez (read:Sarcasm), which doesn't even describe what it's about or how it came to be). What major ones do you think should definitely go first? Supergoalie1617 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC).

That's the thing - I really have no idea where to start since there's so much cruft and original research to wade through. At this point, I'm thinking it's just worth it to purge anything and everything that isn't adequately sourced or linked. If, say, a few babies get thrown out with the bathwater, those babies can always be put back in. --Mosmof (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

This article is a complete disaster and should really be deleted. I guess the next best thing is to trim out all the fat, which wouldn't leave much. Enigma^msg 18:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I think you're right. We could trim this article down to only the truly well known and visible curses, but that would leave very few curses left. Would be better to take the legit ones and give them their own seperate article if anything. This page probably should just be deleted when it all comes down to it. If we MUST keep the page, the only curses on here I would say might be able to stay are the Buffalo Sports Curse, Cardinals football curse, Cleveland sports curse, Madden Curse, and Curse of the Bambino. Those seem to be the only well known curses that have a long history attatched to them. But this is of course just my humble opinion. Supergoalie1617 (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this page should just be deleted. While I find it very interesting, it contains a lot of information that just cannot be referenced adequately. Verifiable sources are valued so much on this site. This page is primarily original information, much of which seems legitamate, but contains no means for which it can be referred.--Rockedaz (talk) 15:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Give all these curses a separate article. User: Bryn Morgan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.8.145 (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Can we sort this by sport/league by chance? Redwolf24 (talk) 06:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

about the lakers kings game 6 thing you mentioned earlier, lakers already won a championship so that curse is broken. here are some that can be on these cities' teams, minnesota pro sports teams have not won, nor been to a championship in their pro sports league in 18 years and counting. since 1991 to be exact (1991 twins was last). It has also been 15 years and counting since the san francisco bay area has won a championship. (last one was the 1994 49ers). that is all i got for right now. i will bring more suggestions to you as they become available. User:Bryn Morgan

Removed two sections

I saw that there was a lot of talk about cleaning this up, and a few months have gone by without changes, so I went ahead and removed the sections on the "Thirteenth Season" curse and the "Ben Tillman" curse. If you object, then add them back in with references. In the case of the supposed "13th season" curse, you can name many more teams who stayed in one place for more or less than 13 seasons than who moved at 13 seasons. St. Louis & Arizona Cardinals, Milwaukee Brewers, Atlanta Braves, Indy Colts, Tennessee Titans, Baltimore Ravens, etc. etc., so this does not appear legitimate. As for the "Ben Tillman" curse, 1) no references were provided, 2) the nature of the alleged curse was never explained, and 3) numerous of the examples were unclear in how they related to the alleged curse, or what they even meant. If you disagree, then feel free to dig up some published sources, and tie them together as a coherent section. GuySperanza (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, of course you can name many more teams that didn't stay in town for exactly 13 years than ones that did! That is what makes the teams mentioned in that section unique. All the teams that relocated from one city to another and stayed there for exactly the same amount of time before moving again seperates them in that very way from the teams you mentioned. --Rockedaz (talk) 23:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I've removed a couple more sections. Please avoid WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Being bad at sports is not a curse. A statistical quirk is not a curse. A coincidence is not a curse. In fact, curses are not real. Unless a ""curse"" meets Wikipedia's standards for notability and verification, please do not add them. --Mosmof (talk) 04:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Tampa Bay Curse

You want a citation? Here's your citation... http://www.neworleans.com/sports/sports-blogs/brian-allee-walshs-blog/299542-new-orleans-saints-notebook-mission-to-overcome-tampa-curse.html

Here are the stats, a quote from that newspaper article...

[copyvio removed]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.188.166.126 (talk) 01:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't copy copyrighted text here. =) Powers ^T 00:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

put it in the books, The Tampa Bay Curse is now broken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.66.90 (talk) 05:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

TNT's Conference finals curse

````The NBA on TNT has covered conference finals games since the NBA on NBC termination in 2002. Since then the TNT covers the Western Conference Finals in 2003 between the game against the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks. The Confernce Champion of the TNT broadcast won the NBA Championsip against the New Jersey Nets 4 games to 2. But since then, as they covered the conference finals, their conference champions covered by the said network failed to win a NBA Title. All of the winners of the NBA title from 2004 are from the ESPN and ABC.

Here are the series of the TNT sports curse:

2004 Western Conference Finals: Los angeles Lakers vs Minnesota Timberwolves Lakers win 4-2

2004 NBA Finals: Lakers lost to the Detroit Pistons 4-1

2005 Eastern Conference Finals: Detroit Pistons vs Miami Heat Pistons win 4-3

2005 NBA Finals: Pistons lost to the San Antonio Spurs 4-3.

2006 Western Conference Finals: Dallas mavericks vs Phoenix Suns Mavericks Win 4-2

2006 NBA Finals: Maverick Lost to the Miami Heat 4-2

2007 Eastern Conference Finals: Cleaveland Cavaliers vs Detroit Pistons Cavaliers win 4-2

2007 Nba Finals: San Antonio Spurs vs Cavaliers Cavaliers lost to the Spurs 4-0

2008 Western Conference Finals: Los Angeles Lakers vs San Antonio Spurs Lakers win 4-1

2008 NBA Finals: Lakers lost to the Boston Celtics 4-2

2009 Eastern Conference Finals: Orlando Magics vs Cleaveland Cavaliers

Magics win 4-2

2009 NBA Finals: Magics lost to the Lakers 4-1

2010 Western Conference Finals:

Los Angeles lakers vs Phoenix suns Lakers win 4-2

2010 NBA Finals: Lakers won against the Boston Celtics 4-3, which ends the curse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.170.197 (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Propheticangel123 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion

Sports jinxes is a newly created article that clearly ought to be merged into this one, IMO. Fishal (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Delete Sports jinxes and redirect here? It's basically the same subject, but one article is less crappy than the other. Mosmof (talk) 05:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Is there anything there worth saving? Fishal (talk) 13:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, without any citation, I can't tell whether any of the "jinxes" has any traction with the public or stuff made up by the user. --Mosmof (talk) 02:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And I see you've PRODed the new page. I won't contest it. I still think it would be better to find sources for those "jinxes" and merge the pages, but it's not my topic or my article. WP certainly doesn't need a huge depository of unverified information. Fishal (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Curse of Coogan's Bluff has just been broken

The San Francisco Giants have just won the World Series. 69.181.226.238 (talk) 02:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The Krukow one must be changed too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.192.7 (talk) 04:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Missing the Jack Kent Cooke Stadium curse on Redskins, and The Curse O' Les Boulez

Jack Kent Cooke died to get his name on the stadium. But it was eventually removed, and renamed FedEx Field. Which to this day, the Redskins have never been good.

• The Curse O' Les Boulez is a interesting thing I just heard of on Yahoo.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/2/18/1998879/discussion-how-do-you-compensate-for-being-a-wizards-fan?ref=yahoo http://voices.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2010/03/the_curse_of_les_boulez.html --Knighthonor (talk) 04:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Curse of 1940

Please don't re-insert information that has been determined by a consensus of editors to not be sufficiently notable for the topic of the curse of 1940. See Talk:Curse of 1940#Repeated re-insertions of information for additional discussion. isaacl (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Please don't reinsert this information, even if commented out. isaacl (talk) 22:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Please don't re-insert this information. isaacl (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Are the Giants still under the curse of Coogan's Bluff?

Even though the Giants won in Arlington, TX, they still won the World Series away from New York. Or do the Giants have to win in San Francisco to break the curse? 69.181.225.149 (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Winning on the road is still winning. 38.124.23.2 (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

If winning the World Series twice in the span of three seasons still qualifies as a "curse", then it isn't much of a curse. Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Riot Curse

If you need an idea of the Riot Curse, just check all winners of the cup since 1994 Vancouver Cup Riot, not a single Canadian team has won the cup since. 96.49.236.239 (talk) 15:43, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• The same drought has been alleged to be the result of Marty McSorley's stick. 199.20.117.63 (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello

I suggest that all the curses should be grouped with their respective sports in alphabetic order and not just alphabetized in general. This article looks like a mess, no real order here. Hitmonchan (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

This is a year-and-a-half old, but a very valid point. This article isn't really a list of things that are alike, and we'd be served better with better organization. I suggest creating sections based on sports and another one for whole cities. Mosmof (talk) 18:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

San Diego curse

The consensus at a recent AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Diego sports curse , was to redirect—not merge— San Diego sports curse over here at Sports-related_curses#San_Diego_sports_curse. There was major concern in the AfD over original research on the San Diego curse. However, since the redirect, material from the old version of San Diego sports curse has been mostly merged over here without much additional reliable sources to address the OR concerns. Generally, nothing bad about San Diego sports should be added here unless a reliable source directly attributes it as being part of a curse. I will be removing content where these sources are not cited. Feel free to add back anything that can be verified to not be OR.—Bagumba (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

San Diego Padres

I believe broader issues are being overlooked: it's true there is no dispute about the fact that the Padres and Rangers are the only two teams with two World Series appearances without a championship victory. The real questions are whether or not this is more notable than being one of eight teams who have not won the World Series, or one of six who have World Series appearances without a victory; and which (if any) of these statistics are best suited for placing the Padres' lack of World Series wins into context. I suggest that mentioning the Padres are one of eight teams without a victory suffices to provide the desired context. What do you think? isaacl (talk) 03:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Pads and Rangers: If it is true (nobody has presented a source) my bigger concern is that it is WP:OR of some random fact scoured through looking at all the WS results, as opposed to some fact that a reliable source specifically noted and wrote in prose.—Bagumba (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I've added cited text about eight teams w/o winning the WS.—Bagumba (talk) 04:33, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

World Series victories and appearances by each team can be found at http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ . Personally, I wouldn't have restored the request for citation multiple times, given that it is indeed a non-controversial matter. (For example, you haven't given any sources for the Padres two World Series defeats, but since there's no dispute about it, there's no particular need to provide citations in this article.) isaacl (talk) 05:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

The difference is text that is WP:CHALLENGED is usually cited, and I wouldn't have a problem if one in good faith contested it. What's obvious to one could be unknown to another.—Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Technically, for the Padres losses, I should transfer over the citations from List of World Series champions or 1984 World Series and 1998 World Series, but since I know the information is already cited there, I don't feel compelled to do so for these very basic facts. In a similar vein, since the total victories and appearances are already well sourced in List of World Series champions, I don't feel an urgency to request citations in this article. isaacl (talk) 05:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I get its a pain to follow WP:CIRCULAR, but it's pretty hard to verify things when one doesn't always know where to look. All is fine until its contested. WP wouldn't have the amount of content it does if everything needed to be cited, but that needs to be tempered by the fact that we all joke that you can't believe everything in Wikipedia because quite a bit is unsourced and false. The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Diego sports curse was that all the SD content there (that editors later merged here) was OR, largely because its verifiability was not contested for the longest time.—Bagumba (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I considered opening this section with the question of whether or not a "San Diego sports curse" was notable to start with, but for better or worse, there are sources for it (sportswriters need to write something on slow news days). I quite agree there's a lot of facts that get strung together that aren't specifically notable, and I will request citations for statements where, for example, it's unclear how they relate to the subject. Thus my questioning of whether or not there is a more appropriate context that can be given for this topic, rather than spending effort re-inserting a citation request for basic facts that I quickly determined were, in any case, true. isaacl (talk) 06:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Minnesota Sports Curse?

Would the Minneapolis St. Paul region (with two major sports leagues titles in half a century) count as a region that is cursed? Or would the Minnesota Lynx and their WNBA titles (four in six years) exclude the idea of a sports curse for the region? Wikidude10000 (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Another Jets-related curse?

I have read somewhere of another curse at the intersection of the Jets and the Super Bowl: No team that ever loses to the Jets during the regular season goes on to win the Super Bowl.

I lived in Buffalo during three of the four Super Bowl years, and I distinctly recall that the Bills lost to the Jets during two of them.

So, is this true? Has any team that lost to the Jets during the regular season nevertheless gone on to win the Super Bowl? And if so, has some reliable source written about this? Daniel Case (talk) 19:51, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Followup: I did the research. Teams that have lost to the Jets during the regular season are 1-9 in that season's Super Bowl, and this predates even the Jets' lone Super Bowl appearance. The Raiders had lost the first of their two games against the Jets before going on to get creamed by the Packers in Super Bowl II. After that, the Dolphins found two seasons, 13 years apart, where they prefigured the Super Bowl loss they would suffer by dropping one game to their division rivals (Super Bowls VI and XIX). The very next season, the Patriots had to avenge one of their regular season losses to the Jets in the playoff so they could get to New Orleans to serve as almost token opposition to the Bears in Super Bowl XX. The Bills did, in fact, drop one game to the Jets on the way to losing Super Bowl XXVII.

In [[Super Bowl XXXIII}, the Falcons were the first NFC team to fall victim to the Jets on their way to a Super Bowl loss. Ten years later, the Cardinals, too, were convincingly defeated by the Jets en route to losing Super Bowl XLIII. The following season, the Colts suffered their first loss to the Jets heading to Super Bowl XLIV. And the Steelers, a franchise who went through their '70s glory days and long after without ever losing to the Jets, showed the season after that why losing to the Jets is not a good way to build yourself up to win the Super Bowl when they lost the game the year after that to the Packers.

And the one exception is, I think, one that would sort of prove the rule because it was a game under extraordinary circumstances. The Patriots lost one of their games with the Jets on the way to winning Super Bowl XXXVI. But ... that 10-3 loss was on September 23, 2001, at Giants Stadium, the game that was supposed to have been played the weekend before but was delayed due to 9/11. A game played less than 20 miles from where the ruins of the World Trade Center were still smoldering, a game where all the solemn patriotic observances and moments of silence and thankings of first responders probably took as much time as the game itself, a game played and watched by people who were barely coming out of a state of shock. No, that was by no means a normal game, not when the Jets probably had a greater emotional stake in the game.

Now, has anyone found a reliable source commenting on this? If not, I think, I should find someone willing to publish this. Daniel Case (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Minnesota sports?

Why is there no Minnesota sports curse? The Vikings might be the most cursed sports team of all time, the Twins cannot win a playoff game, the Wild and T-wolves have no championships. The North Stars and Lakers leaving town. This seems like a sure fire layup for a section on this page that is just completely missing for some reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1483:C0E2:D020:30F1:E9B8:4AC1 (talk) 14:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Kirk Cousins Curse?

Is it possible to mention the Kirk Cousins curse in this article? I believe the section does not qualify under WP:NOTE and I believe its only really talked about within one article and NotJoeFlacco's podcast. While I do follow NotJoeFlacco, does it really qualify under WP:NOTE? Swagging (talk) 13:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I think there should be multiple reliable sources cited to satisfy WP:DUE. And I don't believe the one source that was cited was even reliable. —Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

We can just look back at history and see that the trend is true. It’s a traceable record, so reliability should not be an issue. The one source should be sufficient, or someone can go to Pro Football Reference or another NFL stat page to look back and cite that. It is all there. It won’t explicitly say the losing teams failed to make it to the championship, but the loss is on record, and that years Super Bowl matchup is also on record. H-Piece 20:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahurrell61418 (talk • contribs)

In my opinion I'll wait for a little and see if bigger websites like ESPN or Bleacher Report or the media begin to talk about it more in the future for right now. Swagging (talk) 21:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not automatically include everything that is true. Per the policy WP:ONUS:

While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article.

—Bagumba (talk) 02:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

ITV curse

Should there be an ITV Curse for England football fans? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.233.62 (talk) 11:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/explained-england-itv-curse-major-tournaments-world-cup/blt324e0e14387f45e6

• England win Mexico 1970 on both the BBC and ITV
• England loss Mexico 1970 on both the BBC and ITV
• England win Mexico 1970
• England win Euro 80
• England loss Euro 80 Knocked Out
• England win Spain 1982
• England win Spain 1982
• England draw Spain 1982 Knocked Out
• England draw Mexico 1986
• England win Mexico 1986 On the BBC and ITV
• England loss Mexico 1986 On the BBC and ITV Knocked Out
• England loss Euro 88
• England draw Italy 1990
• England win Italy 1990 On the BBC and ITV
• England win Italy 1990 On the BBC and ITV
• England draw Italy 1990 On the BBC and ITV Knocked Out
• England draw Euro 92
• England draw Euro 96
• England win Euro 96
• England draw Euro 96 On the BBC and ITV Knocked Out
• England loss France 1998
• England draw France 1998 Knocked Out
• England loss Euro 2000
• England win Euro 2000 On the BBC and ITV
• England draw South Korea/Japan 2002
• England win South Korea/Japan 2002 On the BBC and ITV
• England loss South Korea/Japan 2002 On the BBC and ITV Knocked Out
• England loss Euro 2004
• England win Euro 2004
• England win Germany 2006
• England draw Germany 2006
• England draw [http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas2000-10/2009-10/M0885Usa2010.html South Africa 2010
• England draw South Africa 2010
• England draw Euro 2012
• England win Euro 2012
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.233.62 (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Curse of Yatagarasu

Curse of Yatagarasu（八咫烏の呪い）。　FIFA World Cupで日本代表(Japan national football team）と対戦したチームは優勝できない。　1998 FIFA World Cupで初出場して以来、2022 FIFA World Cupでアルゼンチン（Argentina national football team）が優勝するまで、1度でもFIFA World Cupにて日本と試合をした国は優勝できなかった。

このほかに、「裏・八咫烏の呪い」という、Knockout stageで日本と対戦した国は、その年の優勝国に敗れるという呪いもある。--118.238.207.207 (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Dallas Cowboys curse

The Dallas Cowboys should have a supposed curse as they have not been to the NFC championship game nor have won or been to the Super Bowl since the 1995 season. They have gotten close several times only to lose in heartbreaking fashion in the Wild card and divisional rounds. Jared L 9999 (talk) 01:37, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Any talks about a Dallas Cowboys curse, they have had only 5 playoff wins since 1996 Jared L 9999 (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Dallas Cowboys. (Curse of The Jones or Curse of Texas Stadium?)

dont the the Dallas Cowboys have a supposed curse. The Dallas Cowboys have only won 5 playoff games since 1996, and have had great teams after 1996 but only to lose in heartbreaking fashion. Since after their last super bowl win, the Cowboys record in the playoffs is 5 playoff wins and 12 playoff loses, and have yet to appear in the NFC Championship game/or a Super Bowl in that matter. Jared L 9999 (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

When is a curse not a curse?

Regarding some recent additions to the article:

Messi has won the Champions League four times, so he is hardly cursed just because his team has been knocked out in the last few years.

Similarly, Saudi Arabia are currently ranked by FIFA as the 49th best team in the world. They have been as low as 126th within the last ten years. Failing to reach the latter stages of the World Cup is hardly surprising and stretching credibility to blame it on a curse. MaximumOccupancy (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

A curse is whatever the sensationalistic media wants. SLBedit (talk) 17:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

What about the Pottsville curse on the Cardinals?

while the Cardinals won in 47 they are often seen as cursed by the town of Pottsville after the events of the 1925 season ending with the Cardinals winning the championship after Pottsville was thrown out of the NFL. 158.135.169.72 (talk) 03:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Youth teams do not break a curse. This is still true to Benfica.

People here arguing that Benfica "broke" the Béla Guttmann curse forget that the victory of youth teams do not mean the end of a curse. If youth teams' triumph mean breaking the curse, then the best example is South Korea national under-20 football team has already won 10 AFC U-20 Asian Cup titles since the beginning of the fake gold curse of their senior side, but it doesn't translate to the senior national team.

Stop saying like Benfica "broke" a curse just because their youth team recently won the UEFA Youth League in 2019. Youth and senior football have nothing similar even when they are connected to each other. The curse still exists to Benfica. HiddenFace101 (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources say it has been broken. Anyway, the curse never existed. SLBedit (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

If this doesn't exist, why need a curse?

And youth football is neither reliable source to proclaim they "break" it, because youth football changes every year. Even if the curse doesn't exist, Benfica is still cursed because they have not won a European title again. The curse can only be broken if Benfica's senior team can win something in Europe, which is a requirement. HiddenFace101 (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is no place for original research. You are ignoring the reliable sources. If you revert again, I will have to report you. SLBedit (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

You are clearly a delusional. Wikipedia is not for research, it is fact. If you keep insisting junior team to break a "curse" of senior team, you will also be reported. Benfica is stil being cursed and it stays fact. HiddenFace101 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

That's how the "curse" is broken according from you. And these reports in 2023 confirm your statement nothing more but lie. Take this:

• https://uk.jugomobile.com/the-curse-of-bela-guttmann-that-benfica-seeks-to-break-this-season/
• https://total-italianfootball.com/benfica-bela-guttmann-curse-champions-league-record-quarter-finals-inte/
• https://en.as.com/soccer/what-is-the-curse-of-bela-guttmann-the-bad-luck-that-haunts-benfica-in-europe-n/

All confirmed my statement that Benfica's curse is NOT broken. HiddenFace101 (talk) 05:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You should have posted those sources before, instead of blindly reverting me, and only then posting your sources and insulting me. It wasn't me who said it was broken, reliable sources did. SLBedit (talk) 22:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Now, let's see one thing. You say that a youth team can't break the senior "curse", but the article is saying that the "curse" "also extended to the UEFA Youth League". When the "curse" was created by A Bola, the UEFA Youth League did not exist. So it doesn't make sense to say it extended to the youth level. You should agree on this, as, you say, the curse has nothing to do with youth teams. SLBedit (talk) 23:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the part where it read "the alleged curse also extended to the UEFA Youth League". SLBedit (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Full of bad sources, absence of sourcing and original research

Is there any reason not to do a thorough cleanout of this article? It's been tagged for its bad sourcing for years - David Gerard (talk) 13:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@David Gerard: The only reason is people who like original research, poor sources, and lack of sources. The article definitely needs a cleanup. SLBedit (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I've removed unsourced sections that had no main article. SLBedit (talk) 02:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I just removed a particularly egregious case, that said it was "refuted" that Italy lost in 2010 because of a champions' curse, while it was actually just a general curse on Italy and something to do with Zidane. "Refute" is a strong word which should be used for example in debunking bad science on climate and vaccines, not "debunking" one superstition with another. Also, a lot of this page is just teams losing (which they all have to do sometimes). England losing a lot, or Argentina going 36 years without a World Cup (having waited 48 years for their first) is not astonishing. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Some more egregious ones I removed just included Tunisia never living up to their lofty expectations of going out in the first round in 1978 (though to be honest, they've exactly matched that every time) and the curse of the mighty Syria never doing anything in football (with sources just talking about government interference in the team, not a curse). Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Unsurprisingly the edit history shows that these were added by User:HiddenFace101, who is blocked for chronic original research and overemotive language on football articles. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Appreciated. SLBedit (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Minneapolis-Saint Paul Curse Broken?

I think the Minneapolis-Saint Paul Curse is broken because PWHL Minnesota won the inaugural Walter Cup yes I know it is a women professional league and not in the "Big Four" but I think the curse is broken. 88thD (talk) 02:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No it is not broken only the women professional sports. Canw2qr (talk) 01:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Chris Paul Curse.

Ever since Chris Paul joined the NBA he is widely viewed as cursed especially in the playoffs. Examples include: 2015 Second Round playoff collapse when he was with the Los Angles Clippers his team was leading 3-1 in the series against the Houston Rockets, 2018 Western Conference injury when he was with the Houston Rockets he suffered the injury in Game 5 of the series it derailed the Rockets in the Conference Finals against the Golden State Warriors, 2021 NBA Finals, and other playoff trips Canw2qr (talk) 01:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)