Talk:Square (disambiguation)

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This page desperately needs to be made into a disambiguation page!! Wikipedia is not a dictionary and should not usually have pages that give accounts of the various unrelated (and sometimes even related) meanings of a word. Bishop (about religion), and bishop (chess) are separate articles, and that is as it should be. Michael Hardy 18:51, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• done. Badanedwa 19:55, May 17, 2004 (UTC)

• Okay... but it still doesn't look very disambiguationy! --Ihope127 21:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Page move

Any opinions on whether this page should be at Square (disambiguation) and Square (geometry) at Square?? 66.245.87.127 01:51, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The polygon is by far the Primary Topic WP:PT so this page should be moved to a DAB then have the redirect go there --Hutcher (talk) 20:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism??

I found this text posted at 15:01, 14 Apr 2005 by 81.190.131.37:

Głąby jesteście Anglicy czy Amerykanie, to co my mamy w Polsce z matematyki w szkole podstawowej, wy macie w liceum. Bez kalkulatora ani rusz co?

I've deleted it because it seems to be nonsense (vandalism) to me, some languages mixed. Any help on this issue would be apreciated... Goncalopp 17:54, 17 April 2005 (UTC)

It's polish, but it enumerates some understandable words such as English, American, Polish, Mathematics, School, Lycee, Calculator, Russian? But the narrator stopped using proper notation of letters after the first few words, but I do not understand that language enough... At least one can say that it is unrelated to the topic. --Lazer erazer (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

A square in engine technology

I found out, that there is articles about oversquare (shorttsroke) and undersquare (longstroke) engines, but no mention of anykind about square engine. While oversquare engine has larger cylinder diameter than the length of the stroke, and undersquare engine has it other way around (longer stroke vs. cylinder diameter), the square engine also exists and it most certainly is worth of mentioning. It is a compromiss between over- and undersquare, having the advantages of both forms in some degree without the typical problems of both in a notable scale. I hope that an article of the aquare engine is made.

To add to my dilemma, I found out that I wear my socks over my shoes and my underwear over my clothes. Some people say I look like a super hero. Did I just save your day?

A machine enthusiast from Finland 25.8.2005 (D.M.Y)

Square Engines

There have been vehicles with engines which used a "square" cylinder configuration, and these are also known as "square engines".

An example is the classic "Arial square 4", and I believe that some modern GP motorcycles have also used this configuration. MR

Quadrat wrongly redirects here

I searched for the quadrat as an instrument to sample plants -> See image

Unfortunately this page redirected to Square and while trying to follow all the paths, links, searching for words I found on those pages, I came closer to the name of that what I searched (yet I had the name quadrat in mind, but not "sampling plants"), but I didn't find it on wikipedia. Finally I found that in Google. I suggest an addition of that topic.

A quadrat is a tool used for sampling plants. It is a wired frame which is divided into equal pieces in which the existance of a certain type of plant is noted. Those are counted together and estimate the population of a certain plant type in an area. I remember all that from a biology lession in a scottish international school...

Additional information about the topic can also be found here: Sampling plants

Lazer_erazer 00:00, 13 August 2006 (GMT+Summer)

84.142.68.45 00:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I searched for quadrat( as in the instrument to sample plants) and ended up here. It needs a page really, or a redirect to a page that mentions it and it's purpose.

Partial matches

I removed a bit because no "Partial title matches"Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Lists. An entry is permitted "if the subject is commonly referred to simply by Title" MOS:DAB#Introductory_line. The Square has it's own DAB so I also removed entries that were in this article and that one --Hutcher (talk) 00:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Same link

Hi, in the Mathematics and science section both

• Square (algebra), &
• Square number,

redirects to the same page.--190.16.107.57 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I fixed this (among other things). +mt 22:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. Clear primary topic. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Square → Square (disambiguation)
• Square (geometry) → Square

– The polygon is clearly the primary topic here. see Circle, Rectangle, Triangle, etc.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support other meanings are derivative. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't see anything in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC about "derivative". Dicklyon (talk) 03:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose – it is by no means clear that the geometric square should be regarded as the primarytopic. Terms this ambiguous should go to disambig pages. Dicklyon (talk) 23:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Have you a favorite rival for primacy? —Tamfang (talk) 01:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Certainly not! I said "Terms this ambiguous should go to disambig pages." and I meant it. But if you mean another topic with nearly as many views, the type of square titled square number (1, 4, 9, 16, ...) gets more page views, so that pretty well knocks out any possible claim to primarytopic, doesn't it? Dicklyon (talk) 03:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
      • No, # of page views is not the only criteria. Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC#Is_there_a_primary_topic.3F - there are two tests (a) is the person much more likely to be searching for X vs Y and (b) does the topic have long term notability. Because all of the other uses are derivative, that fact helps with the argument about long term notability and likelihood of searching. If I'm looking for information about a square, it is likely the polygon I'm looking for, not the town square, or any other sort of square.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
        • I think you're inventing a new criterion. It doesn't say anything about "derivative" when it says "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." How can argue that squares like 1, 4, 9, 16 are a less enduring or educationally important topic than the shape? And even if you think it fits one criterion, it badly misses the other, having not even the greatest number of page views. Use a disambig page instead of trying to force a primary. Dicklyon (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support Square (geometry) has over 1000 links to it, each one neeeding the qualifier (geometry) to make it correctly. Square_number, my second assumed context has less than 400. Town square has just over 500, but no reason to shorten it.. Tom Ruen (talk) 03:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Number of incoming links is not a criterion at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Dicklyon (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Really?! Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC#Determining_a_primary_topic Tom Ruen (talk) 03:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
    • There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists and what it is; decisions are made by discussion among editors, often as a result of a requested move. Tools that may help to support the determination of a primary topic in a discussion (but are not considered absolute determining factors) include:
      • Incoming wikilinks from Special:WhatLinksHere
      • Wikipedia article traffic statistics
      • Google web, news, scholar, or book searches (NOTE: adding &pws=0 to the Google search string eliminates personal search bias)

Perhaps you're missing the distinction between "criteria" and "tools that may help". Dicklyon (talk) 03:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

And apparently you pretend a criterion (a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based) doesn't exist because there are no absolute rules. Tom Ruen (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support per nom and Tomruen. (Also, what about cube? Doesn't that also have many other uses? Then why is it still at the base title, and not at Cube (geometry)?) Double sharp (talk) 14:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
• Support - What else could you possibly expect to land on if you clicked square? Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 07:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
• Support per Marcus Qwertyus - this is the reasonable solution. bd2412 T 11:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
• Support, should be obvious, maybe add a link to square number in a hatnote, but no need for a dab. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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