Talk:St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church (Manhattan)

9/11

Hi, I'm a fairly new and novice Wikipedia editor, although my fans will recognize me as the creator of the article on Larry Heinemann. I feel like this is a pretty important article that was missing from Wikipedia's extensive collection of pages related to 9/11. I would really appreciate help cleaning up this page. Also, I do not know how to put pictures up, in terms both of knowing when it's OK to use a picture that I find online and also of knowing how to upload pictures. There are many excellent photographs in the articles that I link to and I think at least a few below on this page.

Beyond the lack of pictures, this article is still a little skeletal. I've tried to very meticulous in my research. It would be great to have more information put on this page.

-Bgaulke —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bgaulke (talk • contribs) 07:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC).

Added category

I have categorized this page as requested by Category needed. If anyone has a more accurate category for this article, please feel free to add in the necessary details. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 20:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability?

Is this just some church building that happened to be near the WTC and so (like so much else, including thousands of lives) destroyed in the attack? I'm not quite up on notability guidelines, but I'm pretty sure neither its being a well-frequented church nor being destroyed in an infamous terrorist attack warrant its getting an article. elvenscout742 21:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I think there's a couple reasons this is significant. Because of its age and the value of the relics that it held, the church was fairly noteable before the attack. The attack makes it even more notable since it was the only non-WTC building destroyed in the collapse and since its part of the reconstruction plans for the WTC site in the future.

-Bgaulke

Well it seems a lot people seem to think this church is notable: "The historic nature of the church and the fact that it's been there so long has convinced everyone that trying to provide space for it would be important to the future, in terms of telling the story of what happened Sept. 11,"-Kevin M. Rampe, president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. In January, the mayor of Bari, Italy, site of the 11th-century San Nicola Basilica, donated 258,000 euros (about $307,000), $10,000 from the American Jewish Committee for building the new church. The Orthodox community worldwide already has pledged millions of dollars (euros) to fund the reconstruction, which New York Gov. A portion of the proceeds from artist Vince Grimaldi World Trade Center shows, of who's works hangs in the Museum of Modern Art, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Guggenheim Museum in New York City, as well as the Tate Gallery in London go to the reconstruction of St. Nicholas. George Pataki promised would rise on or close to the same spot. Among its first members were the parents of Telly Savalas & George Savalas later members included the Savalas Brothers and shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis. The church has been known locally for several years for its celebration of the Epiphany. Parishioners would proceed to nearby Battery Park at the south tip of Manhattan, where a diver would jump into the icy water of New York Harbor to retrieve the cross. St. Nicholas was also one of the oldests building within the WTC region. Believe it or not last March 2007 the bones which are believed to be those of St. Nicholas _ the church's founding saint _ St. Sava, and St. Katherine were recovered in the destroyed church by search teams still working at Ground Zero[1]. "The Sept. 11 attack decimated the landmark church that was once a refuge for everyone from Wall Street traders on their lunch break to Greek sailors who believed St. Nicholas, their patron saint, would keep their ships from sinking."Washington Post Article - BTRP

Image request

A 100 year old church building in a major city should have some pictures out there somewhere? SchmuckyTheCat 19:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

There are pictures around but given wiki's policy of "copyrights" I'm not sure if they can be loaded up. Here are some:A 1998 service at St. Nicholas Church;St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church on 20 May 2000 Front; St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church on 20 May 2000 Side; St. Nicholas on 9/11 right before it was crushed by the fall of the south tower. This image of St. Nicholas is from the New York Times article - one of the most striking images it foretells a juxtaposing with an impending doom of the whole 9/11 disaster; when WTC comes down; Items that were salvaged were a book; a bell from the altar and a gong from the bell that was atop the church - BTRP

Hi, I have a scan of a photo which I took in 1992, of 90 West Street with St Nicholas' Church in the foreground. It's nothing special but it does give a good pperspective on the scale of the church and its 'unassuming' location. I would be more than happy for it to be used on this page if it would improve the quality. I just dont know how to go about loading it, or anything about copyright issues. Smudgeboy (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded a couple of photos of the church to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesome444a444 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

This image from Voice of America's (VOA) website VOANews is a U.S. Government news agency, and may be the one without copyright issues you're looking for. Jonny99 (talk) 08:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Images of the structure

I have submitted an email to the church via their website requesting that they upload any images they have to WP commons. If anyone has an image for this article I will be glad to help. I am removing the image request tag since it is impossible for anyone to provide a new image.Jarhed (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Removal from Christianity project

I removed this article from the Christianity project, since the project does not appear to have a topic that concerns notable structures. I added it to the NYC project.Jarhed (talk) 21:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarized from Fox New Article

Everything in the current Future Plans section of this article from the 3rd sentence down is plagiarized wholly from this Fox News article. It is linked as the source of a statement by Father Alex Karloutsos on the current difficulties in rebuilding, which is fine. However, I think the copy-paste job for the rest of it is not. Unitg3d (talk) 14:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

History prior to being Greek Orthodox Church

The article states that the building was built in the early 19th century, but did not become a Greek Orthodox church until the early 20th century. What was the church's name(s) prior to becoming a Greek Orthodox church? What congregation(s) worshipped there?Jtyroler (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Good queston. It wasnt built as a church, it was a residence building and later a tavern before it was bought by the congregation. I added some sourced info on this. 90.142.144.88 (talk) 06:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Source for rebuilding

I found:

• "Update: Greeks raise $1.3 million to rebuild N.Y. church". Houston Chronicle. 2001-11-24.

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Sept 11, 2021 completion and reopening?

The article says construction was planned to be completed and the building reopen today. Did it? I found evidence that they planned to turn on the lights yesterday, but I can’t tell if they actually did, or if it’s been reopened, or if the construction is done even if it’s not open. Anyone know? Source: https://stnicholaswtc.org/

—AsterRoc (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @AsterRoc: they did light it. I guess we'll know with today being Sunday whether it was ceremonial or they'll have services. Star Mississippi 13:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@AsterRoc and Star Mississippi: The Church was illuminated yesterday for the first time, to honor the lives lost on September 11th. But, it seems it will be completely ready by April 2022; in time for the Orthodox Holy Week. Also, its consecration is set to take place on July 4, 2022. I updated the article (diff). But i was wondering. Should i wikilink July 4 with Independence Day (United States)? The choice of that day seems to be related to that anniversary. Demetrios1993 (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@Demetrios1993 and Star Mississippi: I would say if they don’t specifically say it’s for Independence Day, then putting that into the article as the cause is speculative. AsterRoc (talk) 17:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@AsterRoc: You are correct. It falls under WP:OR. Demetrios1993 (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Link rot

The link to see the original churches' interior has been parked. Someone please, either remove the link or find another source. 77.221.89.89 (talk) 17:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Demetrios1993 (talk) 01:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)