Talk:St Ishmaels

Requested move 20 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to St Ishmaels  — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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St Ishmaels (Pembrokeshire) → St Ishmael's – Correct name while "St Ishmael" may be ambiguous, St Ishmael's isn't. The base name still redirects to it anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:42, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Crouch, Swale: "St Ishmael" and "St Ishmael's" are very similar, and some people may not remember which place etc is called which. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
• @Anthony Appleyard: This would be like having an article at Theresa May's disambiguated because of the prime minister at Theresa May. Per WP:SMALLDETAILS and WP:PRECISION there's no need to DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose English naming is inconsistent, and Welsh name is the same. No need to DAB? No need to ambiguate either. Leave what is not broken alone here. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

  The English name of the Pembrokeshire one does appear to always include the "s" but the Carmarthenshire one doesn't. Although the Carmarthenshire one does seem to have been known with the "s" historically, I don't see much evidence of that today. A Google search for St Ishmael's seem to only return the Pembrokeshire one, in any case per WP:2DABPRIMARY hatnotes should be sufficient here. Also both articles are disambiguated incorrectly, they should be disambiguated with a comma not brackets per WP:COMMADIS and WP:UKPLACE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom as this merely reinforces the status quo. Any potential confusion seems to be largely hypothetical and I'm satisfied that the existing hatnotes are sufficient. PC78 (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Move to St Ishmaels, Pembrokeshire. Where did the parentheses come from? That's not how we do place names. But I can't see any evidence that the apostrophe is in common use. It's certainly not on roadsigns. Neither do the community council apparently use it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

  Even if the apostrophe isn't in common use (that is on the OS) do we still need the disambiguation at all? Do you see evidence that the Carmarthenshire includes the "s" commonly today? wouldn't moving it to St Ishmaels do? Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:27, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

  @Necrothesp: Ignoring the apostrophe issue do you think that the Pembrokeshire one requires disambiguation at all? Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

  I'm not too bothered whether we have the disambiguator, although I do think it probably makes it clearer. "St Ishmaels" sounds more like a church than a village. But either's fine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support move per nom and unnecessary disambiguation. As to whether the destination should be St Ishmaels or St Ishmael's, hard to say which is more common. I have a slight preference to leave out the apostrophe because it has been left out in the current title, but the main thing is to move to one undisambiguated title or the other. --В²C ☎ 21:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

  Yes even though the article originally had the apostrophe, its been stable without it. However per PC78, since the disambiguated title has always redirected here (since it was moved away from the base name) this is just reinforcing the implied consensus that this isn't really ambiguous since a DAB page hasn't been established at either St Ishmael's or St Ishmaels. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:45, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, as both of the undisambiguated destinations being discussed here are currently WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs to this article, the topic of this article is presumed to be primary for each. --В²C ☎ 22:18, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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