Talk:St Pancras and Islington Cemetery

'Snakehips' Johnson

I question the correctness of his being listed among those buried at the cemetery. After his air raid death he was cremated at Golders Green and his ashes were ultimately placed in the chapel of his former school in Marlow, Bucks.Cloptonson (talk) 20:57, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• This is difficult to answer, most sources agree that his remains were cremated at Golders Green Crematorium after he was decapitated when a bomb exploded when he was playing with his band in the Café de Paris. But I have not been able to find a reliable source that gives a clue about the whereabouts of the ashes. I have not seen them in the crematorium, but in the London Cemeteries Gazzeteer it is stated they are in St Pancras and Islington Cemetery, although even that could be a ceremonial marker or cenotaph. A picture of the gravemarker or urn would probably take away some of the doubt. There is plaque at his old school , Sir William Borlase's Grammar School, but the name of the school is misspelled in the articles which claim the ashes are there, leaving me to doubt the accuracy of the claim. IMHO where his ashes are, is not really important. What is important is the role he played in music and that he is remembered.JHvW 13:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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George Price's grave

Is George Price's grave marked as per his WP page, or unmarked, as per this page? JBel (talk) 00:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

• This question may already have been answered but I do not really understand the question. In the article on George R. Price it is stated that he was buried in St Pancras Cemetery, which is half of St Pancras and Islington cemetery. So the articles agree. As Price committed suicide he did not die a natural death, which may have meant that his grave was not to be marked. I am planning to visit the cemetery in 2020, so I will have a look and try to find out. I also have suspicions about the headstone which is depicted on Find-a-grave, it looks suspisciously modern (and clean). The current picture was taken in 2018, more than 40 years after Prices death, you would have expected the stone to be weathered, at least a little. The picture was taken by K. Price, which may have been Kathleen Price, one of his daughters, who may have had the marker placed to remember her father (which, in my mind, is perfectly acceptable, but it means that it is certainly not the original marker and as I cannot think of a reason to replace an existing marker, it would suggest that there may not have been a marker at all). What I find more interesting is that the article states his date of death as January 6, 1975, whereas the headstone says 5th JAN 1975, now it is not uncommon for mistakes to appear on gravestones, but a mistake was made somewhere. JHvW 12:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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Reburials from London churchyards

The article asks an explanation for the reburials. Because I am not familiar with these reburials I can only make an informed guess. Burials in churchyards eventually ceased under the Extramural Interment Act in 1854. It was not unusual for councils to open a cemetery out of town (extra muros) for new burials, effectively closing the churchyard for burial.

In case of St Pancras (the old name for Camden), together with Islington (where St Mary's Church and St Luke Old Street were), started St Pancras and Islington Cemetery in East Finchley (which is actually in the Borough of Barnet).

Sometimes (parts of) the graveyard needed to be cleared for construction. In the case of St Pancras construction of part of the Midland Railway's London terminus (now St Pancras Railway station).

The churchyard of St Pancras was reopened in June 1877 as St Pancras Gardens, following the movement to allow conversion of disused burial grounds into public gardens. Similar reburials are for example the creation of Postman's Park, now a public space, but once the churchyard of St Botolph's Aldersgate. The contents of the churchyard were moved to City of London Cemetery and Crematorium, although some of the headstones remained. The ground was needed for the construction of the new headquarters of the Post Office.

After the Great Fire of London, some churches were not rebuilt and the contents of the churchyards were (eventually) moved to different places such as the named City of London Cemetery and Crematorium. JHvW 12:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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