Talk:Steve Cooper (football manager)

Requested move 9 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved  — Amakuru (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Steve Cooper (football manager) → Steve Cooper (footballer, born 1979) – Some of the football managers names share the same name as other famous people with the manager identifiers being "footballer", like Nathan Jones (Welsh footballer), Jack Ross (footballer), Dean Smith (footballer, born 1971) etc. which makes this inconsistent with at least the ones mentioned. There are more than one Steve Coopers which were footballers. Iggy (Swan) 18:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom, standard naming convention for players who became managers. GiantSnowman 10:37, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. From the article he seems to be primarily notable as a manager rather than a player, so the current qualifier is preferable. Opera hat (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Cooper's career was fairly insignificant as a footballer, his achievements as a coach were already much more noteable ven before he got the Swansea job. I would support Steve Cooper (football manager, born 1979) if you are worried about repeat name, but the descriptive should definitely be manager, not footballer. Hackerjack (talk) 10:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. His playing career wasn't notable enough to warrant an article, he's better known as manager than a player. TheBigJagielka (talk) 12:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

@Opera hat, Hackerjack, and TheBigJagielka: lots of ex-players had a more prominent managerial career, but the standard naming convention regardless is 'footballer'. GiantSnowman 12:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Does that mean you plan on going around changing everybody who played before managing to being (footballer)? Because there are "lots of them" as well on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackerjack (talk • contribs) 14:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople) says that "Disambiguation of sportsperson article titles should follow the general conventions as much as possible, just like any other Wikipedia article", and WP:NCPDAB says that "The disambiguator is usually a noun indicating what the person is noted for being" (in this case, a manager rather than a player), and also that date of birth should only be used in cases where a) there are multiple people with the same name and tag, and b) disambiguation cannot be resolved by using a more specific qualifier. There is only one Steve Cooper who is a football manager; there are other Steve Coopers who are footballers. What is the point of replacing an unambiguous qualifier, "football manager", with an ambiguous one, "footballer", when the sole purpose of the qualifier is to disambiguate? Opera hat (talk) 15:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose The current disambiguator is much more meaningful. Presumably he'll never do anything else in a football playing career, while his managerial career will only become a more important part of his notability. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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Potential Inaccuracy

Under Managerial Career, Early Coaching, the article reads in the last paragraph, 5th sentence, "Joe Odwyer, who he later got rid of for having the ankles of a 80 year old. Joe now works at a local Tesco where he now can be seen booting cabbages all over the shop floor reminiscing from his playing days" which is followed by "Raheem Sterling, Trent Alexander-Arnold and Ben Woodburn." The first part being a potential inaccuracy, seeing as no source is referenced to support their claim of "Joe Odwyer" ever playing under Steve Cooper. (I apologize for any informalities and use of layman's terms, but please forgive me, this is the first time I've posted in a discussion on Wikipedia.) 24.240.34.86 (talk) 18:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the vandalism. I've reverted it. Cheers! TartarTorte 20:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)