Talk:Steve Green (singer)

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Vocal range

Should Steve Green really be called a countertenor? He does have a strong, full voice on high notes, but I think calling him a countertenor is an exaggeration, because (AFAIK) he hardly ever goes higher than about B♭4 (the B-flat above middle C). Comments? Richwales (talk) 05:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I just removed the comment about his range as it was cited to youtube, even though I believe it, youtube isn't reliable, neither is what I belive  :)  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh   20:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

An anon continues to add a YouTube video to support Green's range. It's not clear if that is the same video mentioned above. The problem with the video is that it purports to show which notes Green can reach at the upper end. It's not clear if the notes achieved in the recordings are computer-aided or not so the subject's upper range isn't supported by the video. And the editor is simply stating which notes are being sung but I have not done an extensive analysis to confirm the notes. Also, range implies lower notes and that's not supported at all in the video. Finally, since there are sections of copyrighted songs that are longer than two bars, it's a copyright violation and the only way we could link to it is if the copyright holder(s) were to have published the work. I will continue to remove links to the YouTube video. What is needed is a source that states what the subject's range is. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm not sure how I would cite Green's range, other than the video mentioned (even though it may contain copyrighted material) Does that apply even if the video creator has acknowledged the third-party contents? All songs on the video are most definitely Steve Green, un-aided. If you own the original album releases, it specifically states that Green is singing lead on all the songs shown in the video. It's not really debatable. How does one cite this, when no one else has specifically stated it in an article? Even if it is true?69.160.138.41 (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Did you read the discussion above? The question isn't whether Green is singing the parts, the question is what his lower register is and other issues. You don't really have proof that they are un-aided, but let's not focus on that. Focus instead on the copyright violation and lower register.

The easiest way to cite the subject's range is to find a reliable source that states it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I have edited the page in a way that cites upper and lower ranges in specific songs, as recorded by Steve Green. This should be enough to take care of the discussion above. If it does not, than I expect stated vocal ranges to be removed from similar artists such as David Phelps, who’s pages state their vocal range in the same way as is supported here.166.137.118.51 (talk) 21:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't sourced. It's you sitting beside a speaker with your piano (or some other method of determining the note) saying, that's such and such note. We still don't know if there is digital enhancement or even if it's the subject singing. It's exactly the same as the video you posted to YouTube. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Reading the above conversations, this is just silly. Anyone can go and purchase any of the albums/songs referenced and see for themselves that the notes attributed to his range are indeed correct. Also, you ignored the last poster's comment about other artists such as David Phelps. His range is posted the exact same way on his Wiki page, with no source (other than the album & song each note was attributed to). There is literally no reason Steve's range can't be posted in a similar fashion. 69.160.138.41 (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Citing specific songs/albums that are available to the public to buy/view should be source enough. 166.137.118.51 (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Stated vocal range should stay. Referring to songs that can confirm stated range is source enough. Jordanoverkobe (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If you can coherently explain to me why this is any different than the way David Phelps (and other artists) state their range, then I will leave this alone. You have wholy ignored that, thus far. 166.137.118.51 (talk) 04:09, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't watch those articles. Your interpretation of the notes and his vocal range are not RSes. I have removed it again and requested page protection. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Re to Wikiproject post; Walter Görlitz, as with everything else, reliable secondary sources are necessary; no original research. --Lapadite (talk) 07:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2015

Please change

• 1993: Coram Deo II – various artists

to

• 1993: Coram Deo II – various artists "Rejoice in Jesus" & "In Spirit and in Truth"

JMarsden1923 (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 20:54, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

• http://www.allmusic.com/album/coram-deo-ii-mw0000106856/credits supports that he's a performer, but not on which songs. I have the first Coram Deo, not the second, so cannot confirm from liner notes. Ah, https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/coram-deo-ii-people-of-praise/id715552732 and http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/cdreviews/CoramDeoIIPeopleOfPraise.asp support. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Can it be changed since it's supported now?JMarsden1923 (talk) 15:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Instruments

Walter Görlitz, what defines instruments as being primary? Steve plays guitar and Irish whistle at every concert. Not being rude, I just don't understand why they are not to be listed if he plays them regularly at his concerts? Seems rather subjective to say they are not "primary." Gtturner (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Also his website lists them as instruments he plays... http://stevegreenministries.org/about/ Thanks in advance for your response Gtturner (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see guitar, flute or Irish whistle listed in the prose.

He has no guitar, flute or Irish whistle credits at http://www.allmusic.com/artist/steve-green-mn0000034402/credits except for three mistakes.

When I look at his entry in the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music, both for solo career and with White Heart, no mention of instruments, although multiple "vocalist of the year" Dove Awards.

I don't have any of his recent albums, but I do have singles and albums from when I was a DJ, and they don't have artist credits, so if you have those, does he have guitar, flute or Irish whistle credits on the albums?

That's what constitutes an instrument as being primary: what the musician is known to perform with. Most of the YoutTube videos I just sampled have him singing solo, whether with trax or occasionally a few musicians. However, he's playing guitar in a few videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16L66lrYtWw. We'd have to weigh his credits against those rare videos. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Walter Görlitz he actually plays guitar at pretty much every concert he does (even going back to the 80's). I did check his credits on his 2012 album "Rest in the Wonder" and he is listed as additional acoustic guitar. You can check it out here: thanks! http://www.stevegreenministries.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SteveGreenRest.in_.the_.Wonder.Booklet.pdf Gtturner (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

In the 1980s, he started with White Heart where he only sang. The album I have has no liner note so I can't say and the four singles do not list personnel. So if we look at http://www.allmusic.com/artist/steve-green-mn0000034402/credits "vocals" is listed forty-eight (48) (although some are vocals and vocals (background) for a total of forty-three (43) entries) while "guitar" is listed three (3) times. Again, occasional performance with guitar does not make it a primary instrument. I would be more convinced if a CCM interview refered to him as a vocalist and guitarist. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Marijean Green's maiden name

Marijean's maiden name is McCarty, not McCarly (T, not L). She and her family were members at First Baptist Church, Brandon, Florida, when I was a member there from 1975 to 1978. You can probably find verification there, although the easiest way would be to ask Marijean! That way you can check the memory (and eyesight in reading the article) of an old lady! 12.7.107.86 (talk) 03:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Diana Granberry. 7/13/16.

The provided source, http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/5998859, indicates McCarly, but that could be a typo. If you can provide a reference to support the other name, we could update it and remove the other source. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)