Talk:The Strong Arms of the Ma

necklaces

in this episode marge loses her necklace and is shown without it in other scenes. Marge also says that the mugger's girlfriend shouldn't put the necklace in a drawer even though in an earlier episode:

Marge:" Homer, that necklace was a priceless Bouvier family heirloom." Homer: "Oh, you've probably got a whole drawer full of 'em." Marge: "Well, yes I do. But they're all heirlooms too." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verstandlich (talk • contribs) 01:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

208.57.68.160 18:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)Why is it "ironic" that there was no dedication to the crew of the space shuttle?

It isn't. I removed the "ironic" comment. I'm not even sure if the mention of the shuttle crash is appropriate. It seems to come out of the blue.--Agent Aquamarine 01:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I don't see how the fact this episode aired the day after the disaster is relevant in any way; I'm removing it. Scott 17:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the necklace-mugging reminds me of something, somehow. It may be the first Batman film, but I'm not sure. Anyone else got that feeling? 81.233.196.49 (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Rape

The article says that marge "more or less rapes homer". But that is all. How can that possibly be? It doesn't say anything about what happened or its aftermath or how people have responded to it. I don't have access to the episode, so could someone else please add some details about this. Imagine if any other character had been raped. The page would be at least half full of commentary about and related to the rape, but in this episode it gets a one sentence long reference. Not even a discription of what happened, just a side reference. What is going on here? The bellman 05:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Marge wants to 'snuggle', but Homer says he has a headache. She holds him down, but the scene quickley cuts to him sad, and eating breakfast. By the way, the picture for this article is truly disturbing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.145.112 (talk) 20:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget, when he says no, she tells him she 'wasn't asking' and after breakfast, he limps out in pain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.162.209 (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, i've added that info to the article. Thanks. The bellman (talk) 09:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote

Wikiquote doesn't have any quotations on the episode. Should we remove the erroneous template, or get Wikiquote updated so it does have some material on this? 129.67.53.232 19:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:14, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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Strong Arms of the Ma → The Strong Arms of the Ma – ConspiricyStuff points out from two websites that the word 'The' should be included in it's title. I also have the DVD for this season which has the requested title as it is on the booklet. This RM is also to prevent page history split. Iggy (Swan) 00:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support The book The Simpsons One Step Beyond Forever! uses this title (page 82). Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'm seeing plenty of sources not using "The".[1][2][3]  — Amakuru (talk) 17:43, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. For titles of works, WP:THE calls for following the official designation. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:45, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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Strong Arms of the Ma → The Strong Arms of the Ma – The official title listed in the Simpsons World streaming service includes the word "The". The same can be said about its DVD/Blu-ray and digital releases. The script cover for this episode also confirms this fact, in addition to a show-related book called The Simpsons One Step Beyond Forever!: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family ...Continued Yet Again (page 82). ConspiracyStuff (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Bradv🍁 05:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash (talk) 04:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support - as with what the reasons above said, I've seen the references on the permalink given by ZI Jony which have the extra word at the beginning. I certainly think there are more external links which points to the correct title. The Script.jpg link is not very clear but I can make out the fact that there are six words in the title instead of the current Wikipedia title of five. Iggy (Swan) 10:04, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

• Support Per the reliable sources found. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. Per WP:THE, we should only include the definite article if it is consistently found in sources, and also consistently capitalised in running text. In fact, as I already said in the above RM, book sources generally don't include "The" at all, capitalised or otherwise. See [4][5][6][7][8][9] for example. Also, on a procedural note, I'm not sure why this is being debated again so soon after the last one was closed without consensus. A "no consensus" close is not a licence to just bring back the same thing without any real new evidence or other reasons to move. The rationale here appears to be based on the fact that the WP:OFFICIALNAME of the episode (as deduced by looking at the DVD cover). But it is the common name which is relevant here and, in particular, how the name appears in sources. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru. It looks like there's variance in the sources, so it makes sense to go with the current version.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support: Why should we use the name given by unauthorized books when the official name is already known? Official releases, including the streaming website, uses "The Strong Arms of the Ma". There's a reason why those books are called unauthorized. And do we really promote information that we already know to be incorrect and inaccurate just because it's what's common? That's like saying Beyoncé's "Sweet Dreams" should be called "Beautiful Nightmare" because that's what it is best known as, and are cited by many books and articles. 122.55.94.34 (talk) 16:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

  WP:OFFICIALNAME, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS will provide answers to most of the questions you ask here.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

4 support, 2 oppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.94.34 (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

See WP:NOTAVOTE. If the oppose comments are more in-line with policy, then those carry more weight.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support WP:THE clearly says "The definite or indefinite article is sometimes included in the official title of literary works as well as other kinds of fiction and non-fiction publications and works such as newspapers, films and visual artworks. In this case, the article should be included in the name of the corresponding Wikipedia article as well." Calidum 03:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

  Reliable sources disagree that the definite article is included in the title. They call it Strong Arms of the Ma. Therefore we should be doing the same.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:19, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

  You couldn't be more reliable than the Fox/Simpsons website itself. Can you tell me why the DVD set (https://youtube.com/CZIMAH8HtWU?t=89), the iTunes release (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/the-simpsons-season-14/id1207434018), the Simpsons World streaming website (http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/221532739689) and the episode's script cover (https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/a/a9/EABF04_Script.jpg) are not considered "reliable" sources? Even IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0701218/) and the PlayStation Store (https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-ca/tv/episode/the-simpsons/season-14/the-strong-arms-of-the-ma/cid=UV0010-NPVB31858_CN-0000000000343208?smcid=nav_ps-store:offers) list the episode with "The" in the title. 222.127.103.194 (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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