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Expansion to 18 teams as of 2016 is official

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As per this article - http://www.rugby.com.au/superrugby/News/Article/tabid/959/ArticleID/14327/Japan-and-Argentina-officially-join-Super-Rugby.aspx The current Wikipedia article mentions that there are talks of expansion, but it's official signed and agreed. Can someone please update accordingly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.181.30 (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Broadcast in 41 countries (2006 figure)

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"Matches are now broadcast in 41 countries.[1]" Isn/t it time to cite a more recent reference, esp if using 'now'? wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 07:21, 14 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ "Super 14 to be broadcast into 41 countries". globalsuper14.com. Retrieved 17 July 2006.

Changes to past winners tables (again)

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Super 10 winners have found a way back onto the article, now that there is an official Super Rugby website that does not mention Super 10 results but only 1996 onwards as Super Rugby and hence why Super 10 has its own article, if there's no objection I'll remove them. --sss333 (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

SA teams'stadiums

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There seem to be a few issues with the stadiums listed for SA teams.

I agree with the Bulls having Orlando Stadium listed, as they have hosted matches there. The Cheetahs have played at Free State Stadium, and Hoffe Park Stadium, but have not hosted a match at Peter Mokaba Stadium. They have however hosted a match at North West Stadium. The Lions have never hosted a match at FNB Stadium or Mbombela Stadium. The Sharks have not hosted a match at Moses Mabhida Stadium. The Stormers have played at Cape Town Stadium, but only as an away team, they have not hosted a match there.

I propose that changes be made to reflect this, unless someone presents a case which shows otherwise Crazydude22 (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Overuse of National flags

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Why do we need to have the national flag of each team on each and every list in this article? It seems like total overkill. The "Current Franchise" list clearly details where each franchise is from so why does the flag need to precede each team on each list? I propose to delete all national flags with the exception of the "Current franchise" list as they are not necessary. Any issues? Anderch (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

I think that it is useful at times having those flags. For example, you can quickly look at the "Champions" section and see that South African teams won the competition three times. So I think there's some benefit there. But there's no point in having flags in the "Conference Winners" section, since each column represents a different country, so all flags would be the same. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)Reply
I somewhat agree with you however I thinking that the Champions table should be sortable and if this is the case then the flags would have to go and maybe replaced with a "Winning Country" Column. In any case the team list is just above it and it take two seconds to look also if you go to the teams page all info is there too. The flags are largely superfluous on this page because ultimately it is a club competition not a country or international competition, so if anything club logos should be displayed not country flags. Anderch (talk) 06:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Have commenced removing unnecessary flags as of 10 April 2014. Anderch (talk) 02:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Table ranking on tied points

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The article does not say how teams are ranked when they are tied on points. This is taken from the superxv.com site:

In the event of two or more teams being equal on competition points for any position on either the Conference or Super Rugby Standings tables, either during or at the end of the season, such position will be decided upon using the following steps until the tie is broken:
(a) Most wins from all matches;
(b) Highest aggregate points difference from all matches;
(c) Most tries from all matches;
(d) Highest aggregate difference of total tries for versus tries scored against from all matches;
(e) Coin toss.

The following table is taken from the this site after the games played on 4 April 2014.

Team P W L D B PF PA PD Bp Ttl
4 Lions 6 4 2 0 0 157 148 9 0 16
5 Waratahs 5 3 2 0 0 140 94 46 4 16
6 Bulls 6 3 2 1 0 145 138 7 2 16
7 Blues 7 3 4 0 0 193 198 -5 4 16


--Jamieoglethorpe (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
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You are right but is this level of information necessary? You could add a brief sentence about in in the format section and refer people to the super rugby web page for more detail but this much detail is not needed here. Anderch (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
That information is already on the season article pages, eg. on 2014 Super Rugby season, just below the log in the "Legend and Competition rules" table. It doesn't really make sense to have in on this article, when there isn't actually any standings on this page. I I agree with Anderch, it's an overkill on this page. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

New Champions Table

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I have come up with a modified Champions table from the one that is on the main page that contains a little bit more information and also is now sortable. This has meant columns have changed but all existing info is still there. I debate whether on not it is necessary to have "losing semi finalists" in a champions table as to me this doesn't make sense but I have left them in. If no one has any issues I will replace the table on the main page with this one. Anderch (talk) 01:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Year # of Teams Champion Score Runner-up Final Venue Winning Country 1st losing semi-finalist 2nd losing semi-finalist
1996 12 Blues 45 – 21 Sharks Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Reds Bulls
1997 12 Blues 23 – 7 Brumbies Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Hurricanes Sharks
1998 12 Crusaders 20 – 13 Blues Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Sharks Highlanders
1999 12 Crusaders 24 – 19 Highlanders Carisbrook, Dunedin New Zealand Reds Stormers
2000 12 Crusaders 20 – 19 Brumbies Canberra Stadium, Canberra New Zealand Highlanders Cats
2001 12 Brumbies 36 – 6 Sharks Canberra Stadium, Canberra Australia Cats Reds
2002 12 Crusaders 31 – 13 Brumbies Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Waratahs Highlanders
2003 12 Blues 21 – 17 Crusaders Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Hurricanes Brumbies
2004 12 Brumbies 47 – 38 Crusaders Canberra Stadium, Canberra Australia Stormers Chiefs
2005 12 Crusaders 35 – 25 Waratahs Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Bulls Hurricanes
2006 14 Crusaders 19 – 12 Hurricanes Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Waratahs Bulls
2007 14 Bulls 20 – 19 Sharks Kings Park Stadium, Durban South Africa Crusaders Blues
2008 14 Crusaders 20 – 12 Waratahs Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Sharks Hurricanes
2009 14 Bulls 61 – 17 Chiefs Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria South Africa Hurricanes Crusaders
2010 14 Bulls 25 – 17 Stormers Orlando Stadium, Soweto South Africa Crusaders Waratahs
2011 15 Reds 18 – 13 Crusaders Lang Park, Brisbane Australia Blues Stormers
2012 15 Chiefs 37 – 6 Sharks Waikato Stadium, Hamilton New Zealand Crusaders Stormers
2013 15 Chiefs 27 – 22 Brumbies Waikato Stadium, Hamilton New Zealand Crusaders Bulls

I think it looks better. I've made a few changes as per the Manual of Style -- including minor things like capitalisation, and tried to ensure it has better access to those with screen readers (as per WP:ACCESS). I've listed the table below. I'd be happy for you to boldly replace the current table with this one.
Summary of Super Rugby champions
Year Competing teams Champion Score Runner-up Final venue Winning country First losing semi-finalist Second losing semi-finalist
1996 12 Blues 45 – 21 Sharks Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Reds Bulls
1997 12 Blues 23 – 7 Brumbies Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Hurricanes Sharks
1998 12 Crusaders 20 – 13 Blues Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Sharks Highlanders
1999 12 Crusaders 24 – 19 Highlanders Carisbrook, Dunedin New Zealand Reds Stormers
2000 12 Crusaders 20 – 19 Brumbies Canberra Stadium, Canberra New Zealand Highlanders Cats
2001 12 Brumbies 36 – 6 Sharks Canberra Stadium, Canberra Australia Cats Reds
2002 12 Crusaders 31 – 13 Brumbies Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Waratahs Highlanders
2003 12 Blues 21 – 17 Crusaders Eden Park, Auckland New Zealand Hurricanes Brumbies
2004 12 Brumbies 47 – 38 Crusaders Canberra Stadium, Canberra Australia Stormers Chiefs
2005 12 Crusaders 35 – 25 Waratahs Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Bulls Hurricanes
2006 14 Crusaders 19 – 12 Hurricanes Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Waratahs Bulls
2007 14 Bulls 20 – 19 Sharks Kings Park Stadium, Durban South Africa Crusaders Blues
2008 14 Crusaders 20 – 12 Waratahs Lancaster Park, Christchurch New Zealand Sharks Hurricanes
2009 14 Bulls 61 – 17 Chiefs Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria South Africa Hurricanes Crusaders
2010 14 Bulls 25 – 17 Stormers Orlando Stadium, Soweto South Africa Crusaders Waratahs
2011 15 Reds 18 – 13 Crusaders Lang Park, Brisbane Australia Blues Stormers
2012 15 Chiefs 37 – 6 Sharks Waikato Stadium, Hamilton New Zealand Crusaders Stormers
2013 15 Chiefs 27 – 22 Brumbies Waikato Stadium, Hamilton New Zealand Crusaders Bulls

This page has reverted to a very old version

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Has anyone noticed how this page has reverted to a very old version? eg about three months old. Can anyone explain why or how this has happened? I can't see any changes in the history page. Can it be changed back?? Anderch (talk) 07:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Salary Cap

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What are the Argentine and Japanese salary caps or do they have any? Mobile mundo (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Salary Cap section needs to be re-written, it's a direct copy of the NZ herald article. 219.89.80.123 (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Please add the Women's Super Rugby info here 2406:E003:1494:C201:9893:7DE8:6DE0:2B7C (talk) 08:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

Cats and the Lions as former franchises?

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Is there a need to list both names in the list? It seems redundant, since it's just a name change. The club was known as the Lions before changing to the Cats; by that logic, should the Lions be listed twice? —C.Fred (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

I think it should personally be included here somewhere, although I would also be happy with a hatnote stating that between certain years they were known as the Cats. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply