Talk:Tallinn offensive/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Needs a copyedit by a native English-speaker. Actions of pro-independence forces in Tallinn not significant enough for the lead; best left in main body.

I have done another round of copy edits and found little that needed improvement. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 12:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

1. It's better than it was; nonetheless, there are several pieces of infelicitious prose that I've marked with awkward tags.

Thank you for making it clearer which sections needed work. Jaan and I have done more edits. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 00:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

1. B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   Many citations lack page numbers.

   Page numbers still needed for #s 2, 7, 14, 15--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

   The link for citation 15 is dead.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

   All that's left are the page #s for cite #7

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Need to discuss strengths of 8th Army and III. SS-Panzer Corps. In the Strength section of the infobox what weapon is "in hundreds"? What do you mean by pro-democracy Estonian troops? Pro-Soviet, pro-independence? If the latter then there were rather more than a few hundred.

   B. Focused:

   Clarify that III. SS-Panzer Corps and 11th Infantry Division, I presume, left by sea. How did the Soviet Navy support the attack? It's mentioned in the lede, but it obviously didn't do its job very well because the Germans managed to escape by sea. Tieke's history of III SS-Panzer Corps, Tragedy of the Faithful might be of some use. And what about Erickson's Road to Berlin?

   Why is 2nd Shock Army considered elite?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I have now made an effort towards addressing the issues. The sources have absolutely no mention of the Soviet Baltic Fleet participating in the operation. It appears, the only trouble the German flotillas got from the Soviets was aerial bombardment. Probably there was no participation from the Soviet navy, possibly because it was unable to pass the heavy minefields across the Gulf of Finland. Let me know, if there is anything else. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

1. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

2. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

3. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

4. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I'd recommend separating the bibliography out from the footnotes, which could be reduced to "author, p. #", because you have a mixture of full and short-form citations, which looks bad.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

What's the status on this review? Little has been added here in the past month. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

All that's needed is some page numbers.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)