Talk:The Commuter (film)

Similarity with Source Code

From the trailer, there might be more than a little similarity with Source Code (film). B137 (talk) 00:40, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Primary topic

Currently, the primary topic is "The Commuter", a short story by Philip K. Dick. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it does not appear that this topic has long-term significance. This film will likely experience more extensive usage since it will get a wide release and the related coverage about box office and critical reception that goes along with it. I recommend requesting a move to make the film the primary topic. This can be done on the film's opening weekend since it will be clear by then the amount of coverage it will receive--much more than the short story ever did. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 31 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the short story to The Commuter (short story); no consensus to move The Commuter (film) to the base title. For the time being, redirecting The Commuter to Commuter (disambiguation), although this can of course be discussed further. Dekimasuよ! 19:00, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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• The Commuter (film) → The Commuter
• The Commuter → The Commuter (short story)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, neither topic has long-term significance. (While the short story is by Philip K. Dick, Google Books Search shows no indication of "substantially greater enduring notability and educational value".) The film, with its wide release, has already received abundant coverage from reliable sources, making it much more likely than the short story to be primary in respect to usage (to be the topic sought when a reader searches for "The Commuter"). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:46, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support second, but leave film as film. Redirect to Commuter (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

  Why? We don't disambiguate The Cure or The Shadow, two examples named on WP:DISAMBIG. If someone searches for "The Commuter", there is no reason for them not to wind up directly on the film's article. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Because the Liam Neeson film only just came out and is nowhere near The Cure or The Shadow. Maybe if becomes a franchise like Taken 1 2 3 might be worth thinking about, but right now it's just a new (film). Leave it. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

That's not relevant, though. The short story has zero claim to long-term significance and usage. The film, at least, has a claim to usage and has been the focus of discussion in dozens of periodicals. These are the two topics called "The Commuter", and there is no reason to deposit the reader on the disambiguation page when we know it is completely likely that they want the article for the film. Are you actually arguing that readers who search for "The Commuter" specifically may have wanted something else at commuter (disambiguation)? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Well firstly the story does actually appear to have a claim to long-term significance in GBooks, but as to pageviews, we could say that for any film that's just come out. Sorry Support second that's enough. That's already solved any problem. No one seeing "(film)" is going to be confused, "(film)" only helps. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Having come here from The Commuter, I have to disagree. It is fine with the hatnote. This is WP:RECENTISM. The movie will be interesting to people for a few days, maybe a few weeks, but this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or magazine. The story first appeared in 1953 and is still being republished 65 years later. Let's see who cares about the movie in 65 years. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:41, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
• Support a dab page at the base term at the very least, or merging it to Commuter per In ictu oculi. The short story certainly is not the primary topic, in any case. It received a huge spike in views at the end of 2017 from people looking for the film article. The film has received 600,000 views in the last 30 days. —Xezbeth (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • How do you know people were looking for the film? It's likely some were drawn to the article by Electric Dreams (2017 TV series), as the episode based on this story was first aired in the United Kingdom on 1 October 2017. Also, some people viewing the article on the film could be looking for the story, as it was released in the US on 12 January 2018. Jack N. Stock (talk) 21:31, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
• Support (both). While the movie is not particularly super-notable, neither is the Dick short story, which is pretty low on the Dick canon totempole. Note that WP:TWODABS suggests that there's no need for a disambiguation page; whichever page "wins" as the primary topic can stay there (i.e. if the move fails, leave things as is). SnowFire (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC

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