Talk:Der fliegende Holländer

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Latest comment: 3 years ago by Red Slash in topic Requested move 10 April 2021

Requested move 10 April 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED per request. Consensus has arisen that the common name of the opera in the English language is actually the full-on German name. The consistency that the move will create with other similar articles was cited as a factor in the move, as well. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)Reply


The Flying Dutchman (opera)Der fliegende Holländer – The English name of The Flying Dutchman is not overwhelming common enough to justify its use over the original German name, Der fliegende Holländer. Firstly, we must consider our Wikipedia practices; all 14 of our other Wikipedia articles on operas by Wagner use the, original, German names; this is the only one that does not. The most authoritative encyclopedia of music uses the German name (Grove), as do the two most important opera houses in English-Speaking countries (MET & ROH); other notable sites do as well (IMSLP, Operabase, Naxos and VIAF). While not fully reliable (but noteworthy, nonetheless), a Google search shows the English name recieves fewer results than the German name; suggesting not only the German name's dominance, but the lack of justification to use the English name. Flying Dutchman (disambiguation) has all English names, yes, but these all go back to the ship, not the opera... this is an opera, not a ship! Aza24 (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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