Talk:The Masked Singer (American TV series) season 4

Number of contestants

Hi. Has the exact number of contestants for this season been revealed? I'm just wondering because before it stated this season will have 14 contestants but that's been removed and I don't wanna readd it if it's false. ScottStephenJones (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I removed it. The source being used for that claim was this, which only states, "a new teaser that reveals the names of 14 of the new season’s costumes". No where does it state that there are specifically 14 costumes, only that there were 14 costumes revealed. Even the press release doesn't give the total number of celebrity contestants.

The best explanation comes from this article from Entertainment Weekly, stating, "How many contestants will there be?: There is no word yet on how many masked celebrities will be taking the stage in season 4, although in the show's first teaser at least 14 new characters are teased.".

So basically, TL;DR: there are at least 14 contestants/celebrities/costumes, but it is currently unclear if that it or if there are more to be revealed. Magitroopa (talk) 03:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, because I curious about the teaser from July and a tweet that says about cacti (Rider0101) (talk) 01:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

That's understandable and thank you for all of this info. It certainly helped answer my question. I just wanted to have this clarified rather than add 14 as the final total when as you said the final total isn't confirmed in case you're wondering. ScottStephenJones (talk) 03:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Updated here and here per this source from TheWrap- now confirmed to be 16, with only 15 of them revealed thus far. Magitroopa (talk) 21:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Placings for Super Six

Hi, was wondering what order we should go by for tonight's Super Six episode. I've started a separate discussion at the Wikia for TMS, but thought I'd ask here to see what you all think. Just to say in advance, I'm fine with either way, but thought it'd be best to see what others think about this.

So basically, if we were to go in the order of how they performed, then it would be (Broccoli), Seahorse, Jellyfish, and Popcorn. However, if we were to go in the order of how they were unmasked, it would then be (Broccoli), Popcorn, Jellyfish, and Seahorse.

No matter what, Jellyfish would remain in the same place, but Popcorn and Seahorse would switch places. Thoughts? Magitroopa (talk) 03:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I think it should be order of reveal on the broadcast unless a reliable source says otherwise. Heartfox (talk) 03:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I was also going to note that the caption in the gallery of celebrity photos says, "pictured in order of elimination". I don't think it will happen, but if there is a source giving them certain placements, then I think it'd be best to go by that. Magitroopa (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Season 4 Taping Dates

https://on-camera-audiences.com/shows/The_Masked_Singer/tapings/20200812 https://on-camera-audiences.com/shows/The_Masked_Singer/tapings/20200912 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.218.114 (talk) 22:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Death of contestant

After Saget’s death, a new symbol was added to mark the contestants death. Given it happened so far after his participation in this and it had no bearing on this show, I fail to see why it was added 71.11.192.79 (talk) 02:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not entirely sure with it either. I mainly didn't remove it in my edits due to WP:NOTMEMORIAL (Saget would definitely meet notability requirements), but I do feel like it would have more significance/reasoning to include it if he died prior to the airing of it or if his death actually had something to do with filming the show (which it clearly has not). Magitroopa (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, it doesn't need to be here. On other reality shows, where contestants aren't notable beyond their appearance, I can see this practice (but its iffy), but with nearly everyone on TMS, no one is going to be non-notable. --Masem (t) 03:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Just removed. Per discussion here, as well as the fact that his death has nothing to do with this show apart from the symbol just being used as a 'tribute'/'memorial' for him. (Also noting that everyone will die at some point. Let's not just add a '†' every time a celebrity dies unless the death is actually relevant to the topic at hand.... otherwise there will be a time in the future where every celebrity in the table has a '†' next to their name, lol.) Magitroopa (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

As a future issue, if TMS S7 starts with a brief acknowledgement of Saget's death, that can be mentioned there, but still not appropriate to mark like it was here. But that's an "if". --Masem (t) 06:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I have to mark my disagreement here : despite the contestant's death not being related to the show, it still happened. Marking the contestant's death is not therefore totally inapropriate, especially given the contemporary nature of the show. Therefore, why the fuss on this subject ? Jean-Mahmoud (talk) 10:53, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Just because the person in-question did die, does not automatically make it appropriate. We're not going to sit here going from article-to-article on projects the person has done in the past (ex: America's Funniest Home Videos, Full House/Fuller House, How I Met Your Mother, etc.) and indicate that they've died. It really would just be a tribute/memorial to them and really isn't related at all to the project unless the death occurred on-set or something (for example, Brandon Lee and his death on the set of The Crow).

As I previously stated in one of my replies above, we're not going to mark every participant's death in this article as they happen. If this were to become the normal/practice, we'll just end up having every single participant's death marked here. I highly doubt someone's death in 2068 (for example) will have anything to do with this reality show they participated in 48 years ago, just like how this reality show Saget participated in 2 years ago has anything to do with his death. Magitroopa (talk) 17:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

A related issue: on Wikipedia, deaths are generally marked with a cross, which assumes the deceased is a Christian. Sagat was Jewish, making the use of a Christian cross to indicate his death inappropriate in any context. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 16:36, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Given the belief that everyone gets to meet God for judgment after death, Christian or not, I fail to see where this is troubling in any way, shape or form. To add to this, the use of a cross to mark someone's death is a customary practice used nearly worldwide, while the use of a Star of David for the same purpose, is nowhere to be found. For those two reasons, I have to mark disagreement on you, --Dr.Margi, on this topic. Jean-Mahmoud (talk) 10:53, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

All-caps in table

I fixed the all-caps text in the results table, as the Manual of Style section on All caps and small caps recommends against using all-capitals text, for a variety of reasons, including all-caps text being harder to read. Magitroopa reverted my change and Drmargi reverted my re-reversion (both in good faith), suggesting that All caps are widely used in this context and that we should discuss it here.

For my part, given the Manual of Style recommends it and it's an accessibility problem, I don't understand the reluctance to do so; we wouldn't be discussing a change of date formats or punctuation standards, for example. As the header on each MoS page reads: It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I Agree with all of these comments. Similar ones were made about Drag Race UK. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)