Talk:The Muppets Studio

page move

I moved this back to the original location as there is still no source for a name change. See the previous discussion below. —scarecroe (talk) 17:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

subsidary name

What's the source for the name change from Muppets Holding Company to Muppets Studio? MHC has been using the Studio name as a moniker since they started launching new products when the Muppets were acquired by Disney. However, all the latest merchandise still credits Muppets Holding Company, as does Muppets.com —scarecroe 16:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The Muppets Studio, LLC is the actual name of the business referred to by The Walt Disney Company. You will not find any mention of the Muppets Holding Company LLC in any updated Disney literature. --Speedway 14:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Where would one find such Diseny literature? Basically, we need a source. —scarecroe 16:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Muppets Holding Company was changed to The Muppets Studio in 2006. The change in name was due to a management change at the subsidiary and it's movement from the consumer products division to the Disney studios division. The Muppets are no longer part of Disney Consumer Products (as seen on DCP's webpage). The first "The Muppet Studio" copyrighted release was "The Muppets: A Green and Red Christmas" album from Walt Disney Records in Fall 2006. Ps1082 14:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

"Muppet Studio," and derivations therein, has been used on some products as an advertising gag. All current merchandise is still being stamped with Muppets Holding Company LLC. There's currently no evidence that the subsidary has received a legal name change on the books. —scarecroe 00:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Muppet Studios, LLC

The title of the article should be Muppet Studios,LLC not Muppet Holding company. Could somebody fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.66.96.138 (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to The Muppets Studio, per discussion below. - GTBacchus^(talk) 08:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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The Muppets Holding Company → Muppet Studios, LLC. — Company is now legally know by this name. Links to sources are provided on the talk page. 3littlemaidsfromschool (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Support, but it should be just Muppet Studios. We usually leave off suffixes like "LLC" and "Inc." Powers ^T 03:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
  • No, should be Muppets Studio or The Muppets Studio, per the source. I'd say The Muppets Studio per WP:THE, as I can't find any sources where the "The" is not used. But I agree, the "LLC" part shouldn't be there per WP:NCCORP. Mhiji (talk) 15:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
    • You're right, of course; I should have checked the source more closely. Powers ^T 19:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

What it's called legally is almost irrelevant under our article naming policy. See also Wikipedia:official names for a less formal explanation of the policy. Andrewa (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, almost irrelevant. Except not, because the studio is almost exclusively referred to in official contexts. The average joe on the street would have trouble even guessing what the name of the Disney-subsidiary-that-manages-the-Muppets is. Powers ^T 12:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
  • OK... so we've agreed that it's relevant, but not very? So perhaps someone might propose some better evidence? Surely if it's almost exclusively referred to in official contexts (which may be true, but seems strange to me considering how many laypeople find the show fascinating... surely popular magazines do the occasional article?) then this evidence shouldn't be hard to find. Still no vote from me, probably until something more relevant in terms of WP:NC comes up. Andrewa (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Most people just refer to "The Muppets" -- that is, to refer to the characters rather than the production studio. Powers ^T 19:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
      • No argument with that, but no idea why you think it's relevant. Of course they call the Muppets the Muppets when they talk about the characters, but that's not the topic of this article. The question here is, when they do talk about the topic of this article, what do they call it? Andrewa (talk) 05:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
        • And I'm saying they don't all that often. Because "The Muppets" is not just descriptive of the characters -- people often use it to refer to the figurative organization that produces the content. (e.g., "The Muppets are working on their new movie..." or "The Muppets have teamed with Cat Cora to produce...") Powers ^T 13:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
          • So, how does that help in choosing the best name for this article? Andrewa (talk) 02:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
            • It doesn't; that's my whole point. There just aren't a lot of non-official sources out there that refer to the holding company in a useful way, so going with the official name is probably our best available recourse. Powers ^T 03:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

<--outdent The first sentence above is nonsensical, but I see your point. But do you see mine... This is baseless speculation. If it can be substantiated (ie evidence provided) that the majority of sources that discuss the topic of this article already use this new legal name, then that would be a good argument in terms of current policy. But the only evidence to date has been what the legal name is, not that it is in common use (when such matters are discusssed of course, that should go without saying). This is a dangerous precedent in that it would indicate a shift in policy, not necessarily a bad thing in itself but not to be taken lightly either.

Your various arguments above seem to suggest that the Muppets would be the right name for this article, but that obviously requires some form of disambiguation (not necessarily formal) unless we're suggesting a merge and I don't think anyone is. So The Muppets Studio might be another candidate. Most of the current article content relates to the ownership of the studio and its intellectual property. If this name were to be adopted, the lead could quite validly still have the formal LLC, similarly to the way in which natural persons often have extended titles in the leads of their articles.

Google [1] [2] strongly supports a move to Studio from Holding Company, but very few of the Studio hits seems to use LLC even in formal notices. Andrewa (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe we're mostly in agreement. Powers ^T 18:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Can anyone tell me what the status of this request is? It has been waaaay waaaay beyond the 7 day discussion period and nothing has been done. Thank you. 71.101.84.3 (talk) (aka User talk:3littlemaidsfromschool) 03:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• P.S. FYI the reason I put the AKA in my signature is I forgot my log-in password and have no way to access it but I wanted to let everyone know who I was and that I am NOT a IP troll. Thanks again. 71.101.84.3 (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Corporation name change sources

Here is the source about the change of the corporation name from Muppet Holdings to Muppet Studios, as contained on the legal notices page of Muppets.com (see here), further in this link (see here),a lawsuit is filed in a California Court again Steve Lonergan by Muppet Studios, LLC. Therefore I am putting in a request to move this to Muppet Studios, LLC. 3littlemaidsfromschool (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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