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Neutrality in attribution
edit@Alyo: Could you specify how the paragraph implies that the complaint's statements are neutral facts? I thought I was being clear in the sentence about Fantano's (alleged) threat because of the "According to Activision" at the start. The sentence you removed did mention that the argument was simply being stated by lawyers (without any confirmation of their claims), though I admit I could've specified ("Activision's laywers stated..."). If the attribution wasn't clear enough, I could try rewriting the sentences. ObserveOwl (talk) 07:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @ObserveOwl, what you thought I objecting to is correct--"Lawyers stated..." sounds as though neutral attorneys are speaking to the issue in their personal capacity, which is not what happened. "The complaint alleges..." is a more accurate framing. Even then, the wording of the rest of the sentences needs to be carefully written so as to not violate our BLP policies (see WP:BLPPRIMARY for a general caution against citing directing to court documents as background). For example, "developing a scheme" is language that only comes from direct quotes of the complaint and doesn't further inform our readers as much as it casts aspersions on the subject of the article. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. I felt like multiple sources pointed out their use of the word "scheme", but I now understand it sounds unnecessarily defamatory. I'd say that the part of the sentence about the alleged legal threats to selective users is slightly redundant from the rest of the paragraph. Still, I think it is appropriate to include a short sentence that further explains the motivations behind the complaint, and, instead, it could mention (according to the Rolling Stone source) how Activision argues that the use of the audio doesn't imply any sponsorship from Fantano. We could say "The complaint alleges that he made the audio available on TikTok's library and its use did not mislead consumers about any affiliation between Activision and Fantano." I am still doubtful about the removal of the information about Fantano's alleged threat to sue; it is probably important to mention it in order to understand why the company didn't just refuse to pay him: "Fantano demanded that Activision either immediately pay him [...] or be prepared to defend a lawsuit. As a result, Activision had no choice but to seek declaratory relief from this Court." (Activision as cited by Rolling Stone) ObserveOwl (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- That first proposed sentence certainly looks good to me. Regarding the alleged threat to sue, at present it's purely based on the allegations in the complaint, right? So at minimum, we probably should not say that in wikivoice: "Activision claimed Fantano threatened to sue for damages..." etc etc. I'm not sure that there's a real difference between requesting damages and threatening a lawsuit, as they sort of go hand in hand (although I'm also a lawyer, so maybe that's just the way I read it). I've added your suggested sentence and rewritten the passage a little bit, let me know what you think. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Just want to clarify that the last part of my message in quotation marks was not a suggestion, but a quote of the complaint for verification purposes. ObserveOwl (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oh oh oh, gotcha! Alyo (chat·edits) 14:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Just want to clarify that the last part of my message in quotation marks was not a suggestion, but a quote of the complaint for verification purposes. ObserveOwl (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- That first proposed sentence certainly looks good to me. Regarding the alleged threat to sue, at present it's purely based on the allegations in the complaint, right? So at minimum, we probably should not say that in wikivoice: "Activision claimed Fantano threatened to sue for damages..." etc etc. I'm not sure that there's a real difference between requesting damages and threatening a lawsuit, as they sort of go hand in hand (although I'm also a lawyer, so maybe that's just the way I read it). I've added your suggested sentence and rewritten the passage a little bit, let me know what you think. Alyo (chat·edits) 03:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. I felt like multiple sources pointed out their use of the word "scheme", but I now understand it sounds unnecessarily defamatory. I'd say that the part of the sentence about the alleged legal threats to selective users is slightly redundant from the rest of the paragraph. Still, I think it is appropriate to include a short sentence that further explains the motivations behind the complaint, and, instead, it could mention (according to the Rolling Stone source) how Activision argues that the use of the audio doesn't imply any sponsorship from Fantano. We could say "The complaint alleges that he made the audio available on TikTok's library and its use did not mislead consumers about any affiliation between Activision and Fantano." I am still doubtful about the removal of the information about Fantano's alleged threat to sue; it is probably important to mention it in order to understand why the company didn't just refuse to pay him: "Fantano demanded that Activision either immediately pay him [...] or be prepared to defend a lawsuit. As a result, Activision had no choice but to seek declaratory relief from this Court." (Activision as cited by Rolling Stone) ObserveOwl (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Questions In Validity; Lil B - I'm Gay (I'm Happy)
editHello, my name is Inspectorative and I am a new editor on Wikipedia. Recently I had made some changes to this article, adding Lil B's album I'm Gay (I'm Happy), or IGIH, and Planningtorock's album All Love's Legal to his list of 0s. At the time, I did not know that the review of Planningtorock's album was an April Fools joke and that he released another review giving it a 10.
However, IGIH is slightly different. Fantano has directly stated that the 0 that he gave "isn't even how I feel completely. it's just a lesson in controversy." This is a Youtube comment he left underneath the original video (which I'm not too sure how to cite). Similarly, his review of IGIH addresses how Lil B commonly parodies and satirizes hip-hop, rap, the music industry, and music fans. Would it be more appropriate to give greater context into the review itself, saying something along the lines of "This review is not reflective of Fantano's true feelings, but instead a commentary and example of the very controversial attitude that Lil B takes with his music."?
Therefore, my question is Should his review of IGIH remain on this page? If so, would it be proper to give greater contextual information via a side note, or side note adjacent technique, or is it not necessary? I feel this is important since Fantano's opinion is highly respected. I will gladly remove the text myself, I would just like some additional input. Inspectorative (talk) 10:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)