Talk:The Open Door/GA2

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Reviewer: Cartoon network freak (talk · contribs) 19:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Coming soon... Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• by the American rock band → remove overfluous "the"
• It was first released in Poland on September 25, 2006, through Wind-up Records and subsequently in more than 20 countries worldwide → In the lead, it is not important to know in which countries it was released, so please summarize to "It was released on September 25, 2006 through Wind-up Records".
• The release date, which was originally intended to be in March 2006, was changed because of guitarist → The initial date for the record to be made available for purchase was in March 2006, but was changed as a result of guitarist
• In the first few sentences of the first paragraph, you repeat yourself with "band" too often
• previous musical styles, which include → previous music styles, including
• and were produced by → while production was handled by
• Please alternate "album/s" with "record/s" or the effort's name
• Link "music critics" to music journalism
• of the band's sound → regarding the band's sound
• Word repetition again with "band" and "album"
• won the category → won in the category
• platinum → Platinum
• just over a month after its release, and has since sold more than five million copies worldwide and has been certified in over fifteen worldwide markets. → one month after its release and has since sold more than five million copies worldwide. (Info about 15 other certs is overfluous for the lead)
• it was released as a CD single on September 27 → This is clearly overfluous for the lead.
• Try to alternate "released" with "was made available for purchase"
• including The Open Door Tour and the later Evanescence Tour. → Remove "including" and "the later"

Infobox

• Image needs alternative text
• Shows no other problems ;)

Background, titling and artwork

• Change title of the subtopic into "Background, title and artwork"
• During an interview with MTV News, Lee said Evanescence would begin writing for the album in March 2004 after finishing its tour in support of Fallen → During an interview with MTV News, Lee revealed that Evanescence would being writing material for an upcoming studio album in March 2004 after finishing their tour in support of Fallen.
• She said it was → She further explained it was
• She also said the band would assemble to record the new material.[3] Amy Lee told fans about the new album in a post on an unofficial Evanescence site, EvBoard.com. → While saying the group would assemble to record new material, Lee announced the release of The Open Door to her fans during a post on an unofficial Evanescence website, EvBoard.com.
• departure and the loss → departure, and the loss
• Lee said on a fan's internet forum the new album would be completed in March 2006; the release was postponed because "Wind-up Records ... wanted to make a few changes to the upcoming single "Call Me When You're Sober". → Echoing this thought, Lee confessed on a fan's internet forum that the upcoming record would be postponed and completed in March 2006, reportedly because "Wind-up Records [...] wanted to make a few changes to the upcoming single "Call Me When You're Sober".
• Lee stated: → the singer stated;
• Too often "album"
• Don't make an extra paragraph for "In an interview with MTV News, Lee said about the album's title:" → : → ;
• Don't use blockquote the second time as it's too less text
• Lee also said → The singer also felt
• The album's artwork shows Lee in front of an open door.[9] Simon Cosyns of The Sun said the artwork "keeps the dark Evanescence image intact, with sinister fairytale scenes, elaborate Victorian gothic arches, illuminated typography and elaborate flowing dresses" → Simon Cosyns of The Sun labelled the record's artwok—which sees Lee in front of an open door—as "[keeping]] the dark..."
• praised the artwork calling it → also praised the cover sleeve, calling it

Writing and recording

• The new songs → What do you mean by this?
• Amy Lee → please no full names
• Lee wrote "Like You", "Lithium" and "Good Enough" alone and she co-wrote "All That I'm Living For" with guitarist John LeCompt → Lee solely wrote XY, and co-rote XY with guitarist...
• Lee said after → The singer confessed that after
• Lee said, "He's a → Regarding this, Lee said, "He's a
• Lee told The Sun → The singer further told The Sun
• ... → [...] for all two instances
• She said the making of the album → Lee went on explaining that the making of the album
• Jeremy Parker did → Jeremy Parker handled
• worked as an additional engineers → served as additional engineers
• mastered the album → mastered the record (word repetition)
• Amy Lee → No full names!
• California. The choir and strings were recorded → California, with the choir and strings being recorded
• and on "All That I'm Living For" → Remove overfluous "on"

Music

Musical style

• Lee told Rolling Stone the album would be "a complete spectrum of darkness and scary stuff and emotion".[16] She told The Washington Post: → While Lee said in an interview with Rolling Stone that the album would be "a...", she told The Washington News;
• Lee told MTV News, → Lee further confessed to MTV News,
• lyrics are mostly about → lyrics mostly delve on
• She said in comparison with Fallen → When comparing the songs with the material from the group's previous album Fallen, she felt
• she drew further inspiration from the → the sound of the record was inspired by the
• of Daily News said, → of Daily News explained,
• Farber said → Farber further said
• The Sydney Morning Herald said → ...felt
• and describing the lyrics → while describing the lyrics
• Entertainment Weekly said → ... wrote
• are similar to the band's songs → Remove "songs" and add year of release in brackets to each of the songs
• Billboard magazine → remove "magazine"

Songs and lyrics

• string section, according → remove comma
• the protagonist in the song → the song's protagonist
• pop and metal, according → comma is overfluous
• set comma after "opening lines"
• This section overly uses the word "song" which sis irritant when reading. Please take this section sentence by sentence to alternate wording
• the protagonist sings about → Lee sings about
• wrote its on a guitar → wrote it on a guitar
• 16 years old; the guitar was later changed → 16 years old, but the instrument was later changed
• break-up, present in the lines → break-up, which is expressed in the lines,
• She said, "My privacy → Echoing this thought, the singer explained, "My privacy
• It uses several → Musically, it uses several
• It includes a 22-piece → It additionally includes a 22-piece
• Campbell and background → Campbell, and background
• symphonic string section → a symphonic string section
• a haunting choir. The choir backing track → a haunting choir. Its vocals
• Amy Lee's deceased sister → no full names!
• Lee said, "I can't → Concerning this, the singer said, "I can't
• similarities between "Like You" → similarities between the track
• the My Chemical Romance song "Helena" → American rock band My Chemical Romance's song "Helena" (2005)
• loud guitar; it contains → loud guitar and contains
• Portishead . The → set full stop correctly
• "Tuna Afternoon"; it is about → "Tuna Afternoon" and lyrically delves on
• She was inspired to write → You've already used "inspired" before
• provide its instrumentation;[25] while Lee sings about God, according → provide the track's instrumentation, while Lee sings about God according
• process, which is present on the first line "I can → process, which is showcased in the opening line, "I can
• It contains "power chords", elements of electronica, abrasive guitars and Lee's vocals. → The track contains...(leave out Lee's vocals as it's overfluous)
• was written by Lee; it was placed at the end of the album because it symbolizes its themes and those of Lee's life. → was solely written by Lee, and was placed at the end of the album for symbolizing its themes and those of the singer's life.
• It features a string section and resembles → While featuring a string section, it resembles
• Josh Hartzler is married to Lee since 2007! + Unlink him

What matters here is that they weren't married yet, and I was referring to what their status was at the time of the album's production and release. They got married after the album came out. I feel it's more appropriate to list the status as it was during the album's prime. I have delinked him though.

Release and promotion

• The Open Door was released worldwide; its first release was in Poland on September 25, 2006, Japan on September 27, Ireland and Germany on September 29, Australia on September 30, the rest of Europe on October 2, 2006, and North America and Argentina on October 3. → Released worldwide, The Open Door was first made available for purchase in Poland on September 25, 2008 and in Japan on September 27, which was the followed by the record's premiere in Ireland and Germany on September 29, in Australia on September 30, in the rest of Europe on October 2, 2006, and North America and Argentina on October 3.
• 2006, on → remove comma
• The pre-order → Its pre-order
• interview with Amy Lee → no full names please!
• B-side track on the "Lithium" single → B-side track for the single release of "Lithium"
• The section here is mostly unreferenced

Singles

• July 31, 2006, before a wider release the following week → July 31, 2006 that preceded a wider availability the following week.
• The full version of "Call Me When You're Sober" had been leaked to the Internet two days before its planned officially released to radio airplay; after this occurred, the record label allowed radio stations to play the song. → Although the track leaked onto the Internet two days before its scheduled release to radio airplay, (name of record label) allowed stations to play the song.

I felt like this suggestion was missing something, do you like how I wrote this one? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 16:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• It was made available → Subsequently, the recording was made available
• U.S. → US
• number five → at number five
• number four → at number four
• platinum → Platinum
• on February 17, 2009 → overfluous date for the album article
• gold → Gold
• released in the UK → write UK out please
• It charted elsewhere, peaking → Commercially, it peaked
• number 32 → at number 32
• The third single → The record's third single
• instead released "Sweet Sacrifice" as the next single from the album → released "Sweet Sacrifice" instead.
• Which top did it enter in Germany, Turkey? (top 20, top 40?)

I don't have the reference for Turkey, and I'm guessing the person who wrote the majority of this didn't originally have it either, otherwise I think it'd have been there. There is nothing I can do about this except update Germany's and America's, and I would find it inconsistent and strange to have these two but not the third. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 16:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Though "Lithium" and "Sweet Sacrifice" charted in the top 40 at rock radio, neither charted on the Billboard Hot 100. → Although "Lithium" and "Sweet Sacrifice" charted within the top 40 on the United States' rock component chart, both failed to reach the Billboard Hot 100.

Other notable songs

• in Colombia only → only in Colombia
• was released as a free digital → was made available (word repetition)
• Lee said, "I am → Echoing this thought, Lee explained, "I am
• The song was released as a digital download on February 23, 2010 → This information is overfluous and confuses the reader

I'd include it in its own article, but it doesn't have one. Thus I've decided to keep it, but it I have made it so it does not confuse the reader. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• it peaked at → The recording peaked at

If I keep the prior sentence, this should not be a problem. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• Amy Lee said → no full names please!
• The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.[13] She also said the film's producers had offered her a small role; she said, "They were like, → The..., where its producers had offered her a small role; regarding this, the singer expressed,
• She later said the album track → It was later also revealed that the album
• Another song was written for the film but was rejected from the album because of its dark sound. → Reportedly, another track was completed for the movie, but was rejected due to its dark sound.

Tour

• The Open Door world tour → Isn't the tour's name like The Open Door World Tour?
• 2006, in Toronto → remove comma
• December 15, 2006, in → remove comma
• 2007, when the band played in Canada, Japan, and Australia → 2007, and consisted of appearances in Canada, Japan and Australia
• When playing in the U.S., the band was supported by Revelation Theory; in Canada by Stone Sour and The Black Maria, and in Australia by Shihad → When performing in the United States, Canada and Australia, Evanescence was supported by Revelation Theory, Stone Sour and The Black Maria, and Shihad, respectively.
• The second leg of the tour began → The tour's second leg commenced
• 2007, in → remove comma
• in Fresno, California. The tour continued through the U.S → in Fresno, California, and continued in America
• back to the U.S. → write U.S. out
• At U.S. gigs → At gigs in the United States
• During part of the European section → While being in Europe

I can do even better than that... dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• After Family Values, the band continued → Subsequently, the band continued
• the U.S. → America

Since we make reference to South America here, shouldn't we either write out United States or put North America? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• 23, 2007, in → remove comma
• of the final leg of the tour → of the tour's final leg
• "Missing", and → "Missing" and
• I'm not sure if all the assertations are referenced here

Critical reception

• Link "music critics" to music journalism
• 100 to reviews → Remove "to"
• Ed Thompson said, → Ed Thompson felt,
• Ben Moody's exit → Never use full name of a person in an article's body
• did not miss the beat → This is not encyclopedia language; is this what the reviewer literally said?
• much more ... When → much more [...] When
• He also said the "best songs → Additionally, he added that the "best songs
• the creepiest".[26] Sheffield finished his review by saying, "Obviously, → the creepiest", and concluded; "Obviously,
• said the album is " ... more → explained the record is "more
• gave a positive review saying → gave a positive review, confessing,
• stars out of five and said, → stars out of five and felt
• sardonic ... but → sardonic [...] but
• Rating box > Allmusic → AllMusic
• Allmusic → same as above
• said, "The Open Door → wrote that "The Open Door
• Sara Berry said → Sara Berry explained that
• She also said the sound → She also added that the sound
• of Christianity Today said, "The sound → of Christianity Today confessed that "the sound
• car crash ... Musically → car crash [...] Musically
• on the album. He also said → on the record. He further explained
• Evanonsense".[77] Sterdan also said, "some door[s] are better off staying closed". → Evanosense", and concluded; "some door[s]..."
• Album of the Year.[83] The album won → Album of the Year, and won
• "Sweet Sacrifice" received a nominations in the category for → One of the songs on the album, "Sweet Sacrifice", was nominated for

Commercial performance

• Switzerland. It charted in the top five → Switzerland, and charted within the top five
• U.S. Billboard 200 chart → US Billboard 200
• It also debuted at number one → Additionally, the record opened at the top position
• on the Rock Albums chart and at number two on the Digital Albums. → on the Rock Albums and Digital Albums component charts. (Why is the Digital Chart not included in "Charts"?)
• In two weeks on the U.S. charts, the album sold approximately 725,000 copies, and on November 8, 2006, it was certified platinum by the RIAA more than a month after its wide release. → Two weeks after its availability in the United States, the album sold approximately 725,000 copies, and was initially certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on November 8, 2006. (we don't really need the "one month" thing here.)
• 38th best-selling album of 2006 in the U.S.; it was the 52nd best-selling album for 2007. → 38th best-selling album of 2006 in America, and the 52nd for 2007.
• Double-platinum certification by the Recording Industry Association of America was awarded on June 24, 2009 → As of June 24, 2009, the record was awarded with a double Platinum certification by the RIAA.
• the UK's 81st best-selling → United Kingdom's 81st best-selling
• In Canada, the album debuted at number two, selling over 43,000 copies in its first week. It was later certified → In Canada, The Open Door opened at number two with 43,000 units sold, and was later certified
• numbers one and two respectively. → number one and two, respectively.
• It was later certified twice-platinum by the ARIA and platinum by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand. → It was similarly certified double Platinum by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) and Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ).
• two million copies in the U.S.; by October 11, 2011, it had sold over 2.1 million copies there and additional two million copies worldwide. → two million copies in the United States. As of October 2011, total sales in that territory have been brought to 2.1 million units, and an additional of two million copies worldwide.

Track listing

• All songs produced by Dave Fortman. → No need to use a "*" list
• Unlink "Amy Lee" and remember that you should never use a person's full name in an article's body
• During an interview with Metal Edge Lee confirmed that several outtakes including "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You" (which appeared as a B-side to "Lithium"), "If You Don't Mind" and "Together Again" were made for the album. → During an interview with Metal Edge, Lee confirmed that several outtakes, including for "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You"—which served as a B-side to "Lithium"—"If You Don't Mind" and "Together Again" were made for the album.
• and behind the scenes footage → along respective behind-the-scenes footage
• music CD → Remove "music"

Credits and personnel

• Credits are taken from Allmusic[103] and The Open Door's liner notes. → Credits adapted from AllMusic and the liner notes of The Open Door (place the refs at the end of the sentence).
• A&R → link to Artists and repertoire
• Wiki-link words such as "composer" and "mixing" during their first instance

Charts

• Use "!scope="row" for countries
• Year-end charts > Use Peak</br>position here as well
• Year-end charts > Remove "Charts" from all entries here
• Worldwide Charts → Global Albums (after you have changed this, place this entry in alphabetical order in the list)

Certifications

• flawless ;)

Release history

• Use "!scope="row" for countries please
• Unlink formats and labels

Other stuff

Copy-violation

• 41.2% is quite a bit too much! Look at the sources with the most violation, and try to reword your text.

What would be an ideal value? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:04, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: It must be below 30%. Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Images

• Images perfectly illustrate the article.

Links

• One problem here. Please fix!

Another bad link? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

References

• Besides some comments that I provided, as far as I checked them, the references do cover the assertations made in this article.
• 2 References are dead + ref 105 needs accessdate. Please take a look at this and fix the issues.

I'm sorry, I really have tried to fix these but there's no archive available on WebCite or Wayback, I get 301's on all available attempts. I was going to ask you for what I should do here as it is some relatively necessary information. This can happen easily after six months' waiting for review, and I repaired like six others that died in October before you took this. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Here some clarification:

• For Ref 100 (Music Week): If no archive can't be found, information related to it must unfortunately be removed
• For Ref 49 (CD WOW): here an archive; archived on 25 April 2012

Comments concerning GA process

@DannyMusicEditor: Are you ready with my comments. Btw, the link I have provided you for the copyviolation was wrong, so I changed it with the right one. Please solve that point. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I've been a bit busy. I am still working on it and will get more done today, though I can't promise I'll get all of it. I have an exam in Spanish tomorrow so I'll need time to study for that, but other than that I think I'll be okay. I have a viola gig tonight too so that'll take some time. But I'll be fine. I have completed the whole Music section now. All I have to do is finish Release and promotion and I think we will have a GA. Maybe I'll need some copyvio-related paraphrasing as well there. I really did try to reduce it, the one bad source at the top of the list has been reduced significantly; at least full quotes, anyway. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: All concerns are addressed, I think. Except the charts, which I still haven't completely figured out. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:18, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Gladly passing this! I will do some remaining fine-tuning comments to the article before passing. Best regards and congrats, Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.