Talk:The Red Tent (film)

Screenwriter Nagibin

Neither the IMDb nor Allmovie list him, which means that at best he should be marked "(uncredited)".
Russian WP has this to say about his early role in the screenplay:
Первые варианты сценария написал Ю. Нагибин, но из-за разногласий с продюсером он отказался от продолжения работы. Сценарий заканчивал итальянский сценарист Эннио де Кончини при участии английского писателя Роберта Болта.
... before De Concini and Bolt took over, but I do not understand this passage fully.
Varlaam (talk) 02:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Varlaam. I found another reference for Nagibin's part in the film. This film has such an odd release history - one version in Russia, one in Italy and one in the UK and US - that I am not surprised that he is not mentioned on the two sights that you list. That is one reason that they are not considered a reliable source. One thing to note is that the film was almost 40 minutes longer in its Russian release. I have always wondered what was in that footage. At one guess (educated I hope but still a guess) I think that there may have been more scenes in Russia and on the Russian icebreaker. That also leads me to surmise that Nagibin part in the script may have focused on those scenes. I will try and rewatch it to see if his name is in the credits but even if it isn't we would need to see if his name was in the credits of the Russian version before we list is as uncredited. Thanks for bringing this up as it sent me on one of the little research journeys that I like doing. MarnetteD | Talk 03:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Added thanks to Galassi for his work on finding more sources. Do either of the Soviet articles state how much of his work is in the final film? I feel fairly sure that the Italian and UK sections have some of the other scriptwriters work in them. MarnetteD | Talk 03:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you've already answered the question with later edits G. Thanks again. MarnetteD | Talk 03:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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Cardinale and Cristaldi

The article states that “the producer [...] insisted on expanding the role of his mistress Claudia Cardinale”.

The film was released in 1969; Franco Cristaldi (the producer) and Claudia Cardinale were married since 1966. Is there evidence that the quarrel with the first screenwriter dated to before 1966? And even so, that at the time Cardinale was his “mistress” rather than, say, his fiancée? It seems insulting, and moreover about a living person. Goochelaar (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

How is it insulting??? There is nothing insulting in actors' mores. Anyway D'Anna is an unknown entity to qualify for WP:RS and WP:UNDUE.--Galassi (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

RfC about the marital status of Claudia Cardinale at the time of this film's production

REMOVE:

There is a clear consensus to remove the mention that actress Claudia Cardinale was the mistress of the producer of the film, Franco Cristaldi. This was done.

Cunard (talk) 01:14, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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The article mentions that actress Claudia Cardinale was the “mistress” of the producer of the film, Franco Cristaldi. Other sources, among which our articles Claudia Cardinale and Franco Cristaldi, as well as most any movie encyclopedia and other reference works, such as Treccani encyclopedia, and the book Enrico D'Anna, Volo & cinema. Storia del cinema d'aviazione, Edizioni De Luca, Rome 1997 (p. 72), talking specifically about this film, say that they were married before 1969, the film's year.

Another editor, Galassi, has reverted twice, on different occasions, my edits in this regard, on the basis of a single web page in Russian about one of the screenwriters of the film. In the latest edit I had left both versions, “mistress” and wife, and added D'Anna's book as a source, but was reverted too. Goochelaar (talk) 10:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

• Remove (Summoned by bot) I have taken the liberty of removing it myself. Mutliple grounds for removal, including the fact that it is not accurate. The source doesn't support calling her his "mistress," and besides, as noted, she was married to the guy. Coretheapple (talk) 17:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC) See also comment below from The Gnome. She is alive so there are BLP grounds as well. Coretheapple (talk) 15:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
• Remove. First of all, the Wikipedia article on Claudia Cardinale makes clear that she and Franco Cristaldi were never married but had an affair since 1958. It also includes the information, properly sourced, that "they became increasingly detached" and that after "Cristaldi...married Zeudi Araya" he "had no further contractual relationships with Cardinale." Second, even if they were still an item at the time of the film's production or release, having this information here in Wikipedia stated as "she was his mistress" is unnecessarily vulgar, since better expressions exist for this situation. Third, Ms Cardinale is still alive and well - which is a broad hint about bioraphical information. In sum, the whole bit about Cardinale and Cristaldi should be defenestrated without mercy. -The Gnome (talk) 07:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

While I of course agree that the “mistress” thing is to be removed, I am confused about the fact that “the Wikipedia article on Claudia Cardinale makes clear that she and Franco Cristaldi were never married”. Doesn't one of the first sentences say literally “...Franco Cristaldi, who acted as her mentor for a number of years and later married her”? And later “she was married to him from 1966 until 1975”, quoting as source what seems to be an autobiography by Cardinale (Cardinale, Claudia; Mori, Anna Maria (1995). Io, Claudia. Tu, Claudia (in Italian). Frassinelli. ISBN 978-88-7684-337-2.). Goochelaar (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• Remove (Summoned by bot) I endorse the arguments of Gnome and Core, additionally the info is irrelevant unless sources say that it was because they were an item, that he sought to have her role enlarged (rather than because he considered she would be a box-office drawer for example). Who was sleeping with whom is fairly irrelevant tittle-tattle at best and this is phrased prejudicially. Pincrete (talk) 10:05, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. It is not a question of "who sleeps with whom", but the issue is huge: the SCREENWRITER leaves the production because he IS FORCED to accept the PRODUCER'S MISTRESS in the starring role, in his own AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL words.--Galassi (talk) 10:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Even if what you say were true, it would need to be phrased as the screenwriter claimed this was the reason for his leaving - people have been known to assess situations wrongly or express them dishonestly - even in their autobiographies! Do you have any idea how offensive the word mistress is? It is one shade away from saying "his whore" and implies that Cardinale had to be rewarded for her sexual favours - the screenwriter may have that opinion, but we are not obliged to repeat it because one man says so. 20:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)Pincrete (talk)

• Remove: Insufficient WP:WEIGHT in the sources to justify fixating on a point of innuendo raised in what is essentially a WP:primary source, describing the woman as she relates to a personal dispute which itself does not seem to be attested in any other source. All factors considered, making no mention as to the relationship strikes me as the best option, whatever the proposed label. Snow ^{let's rap} 05:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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Icebreaker Krassin's captain Samoilovich

Samoilovich was rescue expedition chief, not captain. Krassin captain was Karl Eggi (performed by Rein Aren in movie). --KVK2005 (talk) 10:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)