Talk:The Three Musketeers (American TV series)

Requested move 18 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: Partially moved: consensus is clearly in favour of moves 1, 2 and 5, so they have been moved. Some opposed the third move and some opposed it. Some opposed the fourth move entirely and some supported it as stated but others supported Netoholic's alternative proposal, therefore the result for moves 3 and 4 is no consensus without prejudice against renomination to gain further consensus, if that is what IJBall, or any other user wishes to do. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 18:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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• The Three Musketeers (animated TV series) → The Three Musketeers (U.S. TV series)
• The Three Musketeers (2014 TV series) → The Three Musketeers (South Korean TV series)
• The Three Musketeers Anime → The Three Musketeers (1987 TV series)
• The Three Musketeers (puppetry) → The Three Musketeers (2009 TV series)
• The Three Musketeers (1973 live-action film) → The Three Musketeers (1973 live-action film)

– There are multiple problematic articles with the base title "The Three Musketeers":

1. The first of these is the 1968–1969 American TV series, which is currently using non-standard disambiguation under WP:NCTV, and should simply be moved to "by country" disambig. under WP:NCTV.
2. The second of these, on the 2014 South Korean TV series, is better disambiguated from the others using "by country" disambiguation, and so should be moved to The Three Musketeers (South Korean TV series)
3. The third of these, on the 1987 Japanese TV series, was moved without explanation or discussion by Magicperson6969 in May 2014 from the proposed title – as the current title is not the WP:COMMONNAME, this one should be moved back to its former pre-May 2014 title.
4. The fourth of these, about a 2009 Japanese TV series, is currently using a totally non-standard disambiguation, and should be moved to simple, standard "by year" disambiguation under WP:NCTV (to distinguish from the 1987 Japanese TV series).
5. The fifth of these needs additional disambiguation, as per WP:NCFILM and WP:INCDAB, to distinguish from The Three Musketeers (1973 animated film).

I believe the current proposal will solve the issue with the non-standard disambiguators in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:50, 29 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 17:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support 1/2/5, Oppose 3, move The Three Musketeers (puppetry)→The Three Musketeers (2009 Japanese TV series) - I believe all TV series entries here must include the country disambiguation for clarity - we shouldn't "mix" country and year. The Three Musketeers Anime seems to be a fairly accurate translation and common name for the series, which is also often called "Anime Sanjushi" or "Anime Sanjuushi"[1], so much more sourcing and discussion is necessary before I can agree on a destination. Since both "Anime" and "puppetry" series are Japanese, we need to include year as well. -- Netoholic @ 17:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • As per usual, your #3 is unnecessary "double disambiguation" – there is no other 1987 or 2009 TV series, so The Three Musketeers (1987 TV series) and The Three Musketeers (2009 TV series) are sufficient disambiguation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Its not "sufficient" when other articles in this set are using by-country disambiguation. By the same logic, we could just use years for all of the articles. But we shouldn't mix them. -- Netoholic @ 18:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
      • That's the main issue – there actually is no reason we can't/shouldn't "mix and match" "by year" and "by country" disambiguation. (FTR, I'll create a "by year" redirect at The Three Musketeers (1968 TV series) for the first one in any case...). Current opposition to "mixing and matching" is effectively a WP:IDONTLIKEIT kind of thing... But, regardless – we don't do "unnecessary disambiguation" on Wikiepedia, and any "double disambiguation" in this case is clearly unnecessary – the titles are uniquely distinguishable without it, which is all that matters. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
        • Nothing to do with IDONTLIKEIT. Its about striving for WP:CONSISTENCY within a set of disambiguated titles. -- Netoholic @ 18:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support all but 3 which I don't have an opinion yet. These can easily follow the guidelines at WP:NCTV and WP:NCFILM. I'm not opposed to Netoholic suggestion, as I'm not against longer disambiguation for the sake of clarity. --Gonnym (talk) 00:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose #3. It's part of the title. Dekimasuよ! 03:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Dekimasu: And the rest?... Comment: It's looking like to me that there is consensus against moving #3 back to its original title, but appears to be support for moving the other four. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:01, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
• Agreed with Netoholic's version, except for no. 1, use "US TV series". The dots serve no purpose here, MOS:US effectively discourages them, it's against WP:CONCISE, and they produce a really, really obvious WP:CONSISTENCY problem within the same title itself ("U.S." versus "TV"). We should mass-RM all the "U.S. TV" and "U.S. film" dismbiguations to use "US".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Um, no – that is completely contrary to WP:NCTVUS, as you well know, and we just had a RM about changing that which was closed as "No consensus" to change it. Your !vote here is an example of trying to WP:Game the system to get your way when it's already been decided to do the opposite. So it stays "U.S." P.S. WP:NCFILM doesn't even use "U.S." – they use "American" and "British", which NCTV should also change to using, but that's not a discussion to have here... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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