Talk:Theodore Rshtuni
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editThis article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thoros
editTheodore Rshtuni is listed at the top of the Thoros DAB page. Is he sometimes called Thoros? Did Armenians still use the original Greek name, Theodoros, in his time? His presence on that page must be justified, or he must be set there under "see also". I'll do that for now, pls intervene if you know more. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 11:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Lead is 90% unsourced
edit[clarification needed] NO, see [1]
The only source offered (Whittow 1996) only says he was "appointed prince of Armenia by the emperor", that he held that rank in 653 (year of Theodore's submission treaty with Mu'awiya), and not a word more. David Saharuni had been overthrown in 638, there's a gap of 15 years - had he been naxarar for that long? Which emperor had appointed him, was it really Heraclius, knowing that he died in February 641, so 12 full years before 653? Not a given that Theodore also received the court title once held by David Saharuni.
The 2 Soviet sources have no online link indicated, and the remaining 2 Eng.-lang. sources offer nothing on these topics.
So almost nothing in the lead is properly sourced yet:
- name variant, Armenian spelling
- years
- being equated with Pasagnathes
- all titles other than "prince of [Byzantine] Armenia"
- Emperor who appointed him
- year when he was appointed prince/nakharar of Armenia and the circumstances.
Arminden (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Whittow, Mark (1996). The Making of Byzantium, 600-1025. Berkeley: University of California Press. p. 209. ISBN 0-520-20497-2.
Sassanian subject?
editHistoryofIran, hi. You have added the category "Marzbans of Persian Armenia". Are you sure Rshtuni was a Sassanian subject? I don;t think so. The title was adopted by Armenians and kept even where & when they weren't under Persian domination. Please check - if it's not the case, please remove the category. Thank you, Arminden (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Arminden. Erh, it was a long time ago, so can't remember why I did that lol. The The Armenian People from Ancient to Modern Times doesn't seem to indicate any Iranian suzerainty, so feel free to remove it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi HistoryofIran. Sorry, confusion. Lately I've made more than one mistake - in your last edit yesterday you just moved that line to another position, didn't introduce it. OK, I'll remove it. Keep up the good work! Arminden (talk) 18:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, it's fine. And likewise mate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi HistoryofIran. Sorry, confusion. Lately I've made more than one mistake - in your last edit yesterday you just moved that line to another position, didn't introduce it. OK, I'll remove it. Keep up the good work! Arminden (talk) 18:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)