Talk:Thrangu Monastery (Canada)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. -- tariqabjotu 23:04, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thrangu Monastery (Richmond, British Columbia) → Thrangu Monastery (Richmond) – I had previously moved this article to Thrangu Monastery (Richmond), but it was moved back with an edit summary stating that the disambiguator should match the title of the Richmond, British Columbia article. There are no policies or guidelines that require this kind of correlation, but we do have a policy on precision in disambiguation which states that we should "use only as much additional detail as necessary" when creating disambiguators and we have a policy on conciseness in article titles stating that article titles should be "no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects." It is also very common for articles about places of worship to include in their titles only the city name when a disambiguator is required; see, for example, Christian Science Society (Nanaimo). Because this is the only Thrangu Monastery in any Richmond, and "Thrangu Monastery (Richmond)" is a considerably shorter title than "Thrangu Monastery (Richmond, British Columbia", I recommend that the shorter title be adopted. Neelix (talk) 18:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Unless there is some other Richmond with a Thrangu Monastery, the British Columbia in the disambiguator is unnecessary disambiguation. The title of the article about Richmond is not relevant here - we have no policy, guideline or even convention that says disambiguators referring to WP topics should match the titles of those topics. --B2C 22:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment Yes, we do. See below in reply to Green Giant re Canadian-article guidelines for disambiguation.Skookum1 (talk) 17:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose Richmond, Virginia and Richmond, London are by far better known; the simplified dab is misleading/confusing; dabs for Richmond BC are never just "Richmond" except for neighbourhoods thereof. "Thrangu Monastery (Canada)" may be a viable option.Skookum1 (talk) 06:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Richmond is unsatisfactory disambiguation considering Richmond, British Columbia is not the PT and there are 2 much better known Richmond's. Zarcadia (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - unnecessary level of disambiguation. Since it appears that there is only one of these monasteries in Canada, the title should be Thrangu Monastery, Canada or Thrangu Monastery, British Columbia, but definitely no brackets/parentheses. Green Giant (talk) 04:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment Standard Canadian-article disambiguation per WikiProject Canada-derived guidelines is to use "Canada" if there is no other similar name in Canada, then "province" if there's more than one, then city, region, parent river or range or other demarcator if there is more than one in the same province. Thrangu Monastery (Canada) is the disambiguation therefore mandated by that guideline.Skookum1 (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment Note that the dab comma-province or comma-country is not used in WPCANADA for buildings or geographic objects, but only for neighbourhoods and the like. "(Canada)" is what is appropriate in this case.Skookum1 (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? I based my comment on two factors: WP:MOSCAN and WP:NC-TIBET have nothing specifically on buildings; instead I have followed the suggestion at WP:Naming conventions (architecture), i.e. "monasteries under the same dedication... the location should be used without brackets and with comma". Green Giant (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll have to dig them out tomorrow, it's 2 am here and I've been putting out fires in other places for the last two hours and more....MOSCAN may not be where to look; and dabs are a convention, the comma-province guidelines for communities, for example i.e. vis no-comma-province on unique names, e.g. Vancouver, is a convention, not a guideline, but increasingly applied across the board; I'll find buildings examples, there are some, and see what I can find on WP:CANADA....a look around the subcats of Category:Buildings and structures in Canada and Category:Places of worship in Canada may demonstrate my point well. More tomorrow, it's beddy-bye time.Skookum1 (talk) 19:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, found Category:Churches in Vancouver, Anglican churches in British Columbia, Category:Roman Catholic churches in British Columbia, demonstrating the use of the parentheses rather than comma-province in unique or, as in the case of Vancouver, primary-use city-names; I have yet to find a "(Canada)" dab, but that is most likely because in the cases where disambiguation is necessary, there is not only one in Canada. The cathedral and basilica categories are unique names in some cases so really don't require dabs e.g. Mary, Queen of the World Cathedral in Montreal and the Basilica of St. John the Baptist in St John's, Newfoundland. I note that though in BC the parentheses-dabs are (now) standard (I've just moved Church of the Holy Cross (Skatin) from the comma-province one, they are not in most other provinces; I'll field this discussion by WP:Canada, though I've already put it on the RM noticeboard there. I'll look for building-dabs next.Skookum1 (talk) 10:06, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support a move to Thrangu Monastery (Canada), per WP:CANSTYLE and WP:PRECISE. --BDD (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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