Talk:1971 Scottish soldiers' killings/GA1

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Reviewer: FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 01:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC) Well, here goes! FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 01:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments

• Shouldn't the page be called "Three Scottish soldiers' killings?" (grammar stickler, I know) and same in the lede. FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 01:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Done Kernel Saunters (talk) 11:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

• In the Events section, I think there needs to be more background added to give context. deteriorating security situation needs to be elaborated. For instance, it should state the initial reception British troops were given by the nationalist population, and how relations between the two quickly fell apart with the nationalists strongly resenting a British military presence in Northern Ireland.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I think a link to the 1969 riots is appropriate as you suggest, but the situation is more complex than that the nationalist community resented the army. The main factor in these deaths is the rise of the the PIRA which was pushing aside the OIRA and these killings are seen by commentators as an escalation of the conflict by the PIRA, so I'm not convinced that the nationalist viewpoint is the main factor. I want to keep the article on-topic and neutral. If the reader needs in-depth background we have the linked troubles article. Kernel Saunters (talk) 11:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree about not venturing off-topic, yet a sentence or two should be added to explain how the PIRA viewed the British military presence. After all, the killings took place 17 months after the Army was deployed to the North, with the first killing happening a month prior to this incident. The reader may wonder what events transpired between August 1969 and February 1971 when Gunner Curtis was killed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Done Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

It looks good! You conveyed enough information without going off on a tangent. Readers will also be able to learn more about the Falls Curfew.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

• Copyedit. FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 02:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit - reworded and corrected throughout Kernel Saunters (talk) 12:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

• In section Memorial, you mention that the monuments might be vandalised if erected, but you don't mention if they were vandalised. FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 04:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The mother was advised in 1972 it was too risky but the memorial was actually erected in 2010 - when things were less problematic for such a memorial. I've reworded to make the dates clearer Kernel Saunters (talk) 15:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

• One thing left: IRA is sometimes called IRA, PIRA and Provisional IRA. Stick to one. FAC Wikicopter _{what i do} s + c cup|former 21:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Based on the fact that there were two active organisations that used IRA (OIRA and PIRA) at the time. I've adjusted the article to use Provisional IRA in all cases. Kernel Saunters (talk) 17:51, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Passed.