Talk:Women in warfare (1500–1699)

Confusing List, not timeline

This is just a list of women identified as leaders during war, over many different points of the world. A timeline is supposed to be for related events that relate to some conclusive battle or political outcome; not just a bunch of unrelated events by year. It serves neither military history nor gender studies, as the list does not lead to anything. You can't follow historic movements or even military history within a nation or region. Simply listing all these individuals by year of event gives you a list of names and isolated actions. There isn't any way to make any sense out of it; it doesn't really tell you why women led in certain areas, what it had to do with what else was going on in their societies. Perhaps if it were divided by country or region, a reader might learn something about the circumstances. As it is, it's too jumbled to be useful.--Parkwells (talk) 13:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I have found it very usefull. It gives you a practical chronological list of women participating in war. The closer circumstances can be read at the individual articles. --Aciram 13:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Keep the list relevant and protect it from being deleted: only active warfare are included

A recent discussion on the talk page of one of these lists also concerns all of them: Women in warfare or simply women who conducted war? The conclusion of the discussion is the following:

Up until now, this list has been vague on the definitions about which women should be included. It has listed women who conducted war, and women who actually fought on the battle fields: that is to say both women who participated actively and passively in war.

A list of this kind is only relevant if it lists exceptions to a general rule. Women who participated in active warfare is such exceptions, and a list of them is relevant. Female monarchs who conducted war, however, was common: their is nothing expectational about them. If you which to include them, you will have to add just about every female monarchs who ever existed, such as for example Queen Victoria of Great Britain. To have a list about female monarchs who conducted war is just as pointless as having a list about male monarchs who conducted war. It makes the list non-relevant and liable to be deleted. I do not think these lists should be deleted, as they are important for gender and social studies: they have this importance because they lists exceptions. Therefore:

• Only women who participated in active warfare, such as warriors, spies, or female monarchs who actively participated in warfare such as actually leading warfare or defended a castle or town are acceptable to include.
• The description of the text in the beginning of the article will be changed to specify women who participated in active warfare, as this is the exception which makes a list relevant.

These list will have to be altered in this way to keep relevance and avoid being deleted. This is not big changes, but they are necessary. I will make the changes in view of time. --Aciram (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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