Talk:Timothy Scott (actor, born 1937)

Requested move 2 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move the article has been established within the RM time period and thus defaulting to not moved. Additionally, a stronger consensus to not move was established. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Music1201 ^talk 02:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Timothy Scott (actor, died 1995) → Timothy Scott (actor, born 1930s)
• Timothy Scott (actor, died 1988) → Timothy Scott (actor, born 1950s)

– I don't know whether death years should be used. In fact, the titles should be consistent with birth years. However, without knowing the exact birth years, I'm proposing the birth decades instead. George Ho (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support - Birth Years should always be used without a doubt. –Davey2010^Talk 19:35, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose since WP:NCPDAB supports using "(died YYYY)" is the birth year isn't known, though the guideline prefers the birthyear over the year of death. However, WP:NCPDAB currently doesn't seem to currently support year disambiguation via year ranges. If this were to change, so would my opinion of this move. Steel1943 (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Did you know, Steel, that guidelines can be best treated with common sense? Id est WP:NCPDAB does not discourage year ranges because it doesn't mention year ranges. The actors were born on their own respective specific decades, though I respect your vote. --George Ho (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes George Ho, but I would be very interested to see how a discussion were to play our on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people) to get the guideline updated in the way which you have presented your proposal. I'm not sure what side of the fence I would be on that right now, but at the present time, my interpretation of the policy stands in line with my vote in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. The death dates are fine when a specific birthdate isn't known, especially compared to this unconventional proposal. I note that the Internet Broadway Database lists the birthday of the actor who died in 1988 as September 15, 1955.[1] The same date is found in a variety of other sources; these are mostly low-quality but I see no particular reason to doubt the information.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:21, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 July 2017

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Moved as proposed, with the caveat that better sourcing really should be found for the 1955-1988 subject. bd2412 T 04:25, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

• Timothy Scott (actor, died 1995) → Timothy Scott (actor, born 1937)
• Timothy Scott (actor, died 1988) → Timothy Scott (actor, born 1955)

– A little over a year has passed since the previous discussion on this topic — sufficient time for another opportunity to achieve consensus. As indicated in 2016 by Cúchullain, various sources do provide details, with IMDb giving the vital dates for Timothy Scott (July 20, 1937–June 14, 1995) and for Timothy Scott (September 15, 1955–February 24, 1988), with IBDb providing the same dates for the 1955–88 Timothy Scott and Find a Grave providing the same dates as IMDb for the 1937–95 Timothy Scott. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 09:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Much better than year of death dabs. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:06, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support moves per nom. No sense in using death when we can confirm birth.  ONR  (talk)  12:34, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nom. kennethaw88 • talk 07:59, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
• Comment - Why using FindAGrave and IMDB, both of which are user-generated and unreliable? George Ho (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Further note: Verifying the information is important. Fortunately, I verified one Tim Scott's birth year from one book. However, I could not find one reliable source to verify the other person's birth year. Consensus or local consensus should not triumph verifiability, which is essential to both the articles and the titles. This may look like I oppose both, but I'll weak oppose the second one, i.e. from "died 1988" to "born 1955", but will favor moving from "died 1988" to "born 1950s". --George Ho (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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