Talk:Tom Butters (athletic director)

Requested move 5 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Tom Butters (athletic director). This is what we call a case of WP:NOGOODOPTIONS: everyone is unhappy with the status quo, but there's no consensus to use any one of the five (!) alternative titles suggested. In this situation, NOGOODOPTIONS tells me to pick the best title I can and move the page there, all the while making clear that "while consensus has rejected the former title...there is no consensus for the title actually chosen" and that "if anyone objects to the closer's choice, then instead of taking it to move review, they should simply make another move request at any time, which will hopefully lead the article to its final stable title". I've picked Tom Butters (athletic director), which several editors in this RM supported; if you'd prefer a different disambiguator or no disambiguator at all, feel free to start another discussion at any time. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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Tom Butters (baseball) → Tom Butters (sports) – Tom Butters had a career that is hard to summarize in a one-word parenthetical, as he is notable for both his Major League Baseball pitching career and his career as a prominent collegiate athletic administrator. The current title only focuses on his baseball career, which I found very confusing when I first stumbled upon this article – I was looking for the athletic administrator who hired famous basketball coach Mike Kryzewski, and had no clue he'd ever played baseball. Using "sports" as the parenthetical is a bit vague, but it does encompass both of the things he's famous for; whether you're looking for a baseball pitcher or a college sports administrator, "Tom Butters (sports)" sounds like it could be the right article. IagoQnsi (talk) 07:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have also started a discussion to move the article Tom Butters (about a Canadian politician) to Tom Butters (politician), and then create a disambiguation page at Tom Butters. See Talk:Tom Butters#Requested move 5 September 2022 for that. –IagoQnsi (talk) 07:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Tom Butters (sportsperson) is preferred, per WP:NCSP. 162 etc. (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
• Retain Tom Butters (baseball) or move to Tom Butters (athletic director). He was only a sportsman (as he was clearly a man, just as we use other gendered terms like actor and actress when referring to a specific individual!) while he played baseball. His main career was as a sports administrator. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support Tom Butters (sportsperson), although keeping it as is isn't the end of the world.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support Tom Butters (athletic director) or Tom Butters (administrator) as it appears he is more known for his career as a college athletics administrator. Natg 19 (talk) 05:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
• Relister note: There's a consensus to move, but there're multiple targets suggested. Relisting to seek a consensus on which title to move to. – robertsky (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Biography has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Baseball has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Tom Butters over the dab page I get the logic behind this RM, but I believe that the answer to "what is the best parenthetical" in this case is none. Tom Butters references only this page and Tom Butters (politician). Per WP:TWODABS and a cursory look through sourcing, this appears to he the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support no parenthetical; this person is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Dmoore5556 (talk) 07:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.