Talk:Tomb Raider: Chronicles

The whole game is just Lara's friends remembering her

Is the whole game really her friends remembering her first adventures??? I thought all of it except Ireland was actually happening.

No, all adventures in the game are memories from the past. Lara is presumed dead at the time her friends gather at the mansion. --Steerpike 20:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

So, it doesn't ever reveal that she didn't die in this game?

The ending suggests she's found alive. In any case, Core had no intention in killing her off, since they were already working on the sequel Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness by this time. --Steerpike 00:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok. So what did actually happen, it doesn't say on the page (sorry, I never completed Chronicles.)

At the end of Revelation, Lara Croft is trapped in a collapsing temple. At the end of Chronicles, we see Von Croy's people digging at the site for signs of life. One of the diggers suddenly runs out of the ruin and shouts "we've found her". That's all. The article isn't really required to provide that information. There are lots of sites that discuss the plot of Tomb Raider. --Steerpike 18:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Fresh Idea

I have a proposal. I posted some time ago an article that just doesn't fitted with Wikipedia's standards. This is my article: User:Locketudor/Tomb Raider music. I want to split it, remake it and distribued it to all Tomb Raider games. --Tulok 15:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Not Agree

I don't agree with the sentence:

Many felt that with The Last Revelation, the Tomb Raider formula had been stretched to its limits, and that a sequel would offer nothing new. In addition, the game still used the engine from the original Tomb Raider, which despite improved tweaking began to show its age with each subsequent game.

I think that TR4 and TR5 were great developed: the FMVs were getting better, the music and the stories were cool. The only issue is the engine (they kept the engine) but don't forget that this engine was exploited at its best with this 2 games , more exactly the flyby tehnique was a new thing in TR, and they did a wonderful job with the flybies. If they would concentrate more on changing the graphics they woudn't have time to do a beautiful games as TR5 is, a good example is what happent with AoD, they had a new engine and the time wasn't so strechy.

--Tulok (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOT#FORUM. Really, that "reception" section should be cleared out. It is completely uncited, and most of it is probably not encyclopaedic either. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 21:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge Tomb Raider Level Editor

I couldn't find much information about the Level Editor included with this game. I don't think there will be enough for a separate article on it, so let's merge it in here and strengthen this article. Pagrashtak 15:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This article has been deleted twice already - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomb Raider Level Editor (second nomination). If it is considered notable enough (I don't think there has been much discussion about it except for on fan sites), it should really be merged here. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 20:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't think to check the history. I've added a one-sentence mention and redirected the level editor article here. If anyone's interested, feel free to expand it a little. I didn't use the other article since it was unreferenced. Pagrashtak 20:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

If Tomb Raider Level Editor article has been merged with this one, then why is there no information about it? --87.102.68.201 (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It hasn't been merged yet. It's been deleted. The user is proposing to merge. Simon^KSK 23:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything you have to do to show that you agree with the merge? --Neutralle (talk) 11:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The merge has already been agreed by the AfD process. There was a section on it, but it got removed due to lack of information. I've re-added it and I'll tag the section for expansion (so the redirect works properly). ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 14:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

AFD didn't decide on a merge—it decided on deletion. I'm not convinced that there is enough information available for a section. Pagrashtak 15:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought AfD had decided to merge it. I agree there isn't enough information for an article on it, but I think a brief section should be OK. Unfortunately, reliable sources are hard to come by since it is an old game now. This seems to be the most comprehensive source I've found, but nearly all the links it references are dead (the GameSpot ones would have been good if they were still live...) ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 15:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Actually, I just recalled that mention was made in the Tomb Raider (original!) strategy guide with regards to the Room Editor. I've added a reference in to this, as it should support the use of the Level Editor by the developers. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 15:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't verify the statement. The statement is "The Tomb Raider Level Editor is a program..." and the ref says "levels are designed in another in-house utility called The Room Editor". Which is it—Tomb Raider Level Editor or The Room Editor? Pagrashtak 18:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The Room Editor is the actual utility that is used to create levels. The Level Editor (I believe) refers to the whole package (the Room Editor and the other utilities used to create playable levels). ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 18:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you have some sources for that? Pagrashtak 20:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Uhhh, the game? Simon^KSK 21:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

As I've said, it is difficult to find reliable sources to back up things like the distinctions between the Level Editor and Room Editor due to the age of the software. TombRaiderChronicles.com says the Level Editor is the same as the one used at Core, and this one (that I found earlier) also has information about the Room Editor (which is part of the Level Editor package). I've re-written the lead Level Editor section to try and make this distinction more clear. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 21:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Next Generation Level Editor

Why is Next Generation Level Editor 'non-notable'? I see it as part of the history of the Room Editor. One could say it is used more than Room Editor itself? --Neutralle (talk) 11:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, you didn't add any references in the first instance. Without reliable sources, we can't put anything about it here - see WP:RS. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 11:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is a reliable reference: www.skribblerz.com/tuts/ngle/nglemainpage.htm This page describes what the Next Generation Level Editor is and includes a manual on how it works. --Neutralle (talk) 11:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, that shows that it does exist. However, it doesn't show that it is notable, or that lots of fans use it. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 11:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay well minus the information on many people using it, is that a good enough source to note it in the article? --Neutralle (talk) 13:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Details about Russian episode

The sub is called Typhoon - Project 941 links here: [1], [2], [3]

The military base is Zapadnaya Litsa, everybody knows. Maybe some informations are useful. --TudorTulok (talk) 22:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

TRLE Section

I had a bash at trying to detail the history/progress of the TRLE. I think it's the only way we can ever get any information in there. Is it okay? Have I done anything bad? Feel free to edit/delete, I'm new here so if you would be so kind as to tell me why on my talk page, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! :) --Nieveus (talk) 04:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know the name of the engine used?

The engine written as of now is "Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation". Surely that can't be the name of the engine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Jonathan (talk • contribs) 09:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

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The official title is "Tomb Raider: Chronicles" with the colon

The official website of the game from 2000 (archived here) gives "Tomb Raider: Chronicles" with the colon as the official title of the game. The use of "Tomb Raider Chronicles" without the colon for the game seems to have arisen due to a confusion with the Tomb Raider Chronicles website which was started in 2000, the same year the game was released, and which, however, is not the official website of the game Tomb Raider: Chronicles but a fansite whose aim is to collect key news and other information and material about the whole Tomb Raider series. Æo (talk) 12:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Also the official game manual for the PC version (uploaded here) gives "Tomb Raider: Chronicles" with the colon as the title (n.b. the uploaded file's title does not use the colon, probably due to a simplification made by the person who uploaded it).--Æo (talk) 16:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The article's title has been changed on 22 September 2023, at 15:47, from "Tomb Raider Chronicles" to "Tomb Raider: Chronicles" according to the foregoing.--Æo (talk) 16:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tomb Raider: Chronicles/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Rhain (talk · contribs) 00:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll take this one! Expect some comments shortly. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• Remove full stops from footnotes, as they are sentence fragments
• Consider listing the platforms with {{ubl}}, per template documentation
• The PlayStation, Windows release dates should probably be split per platform, considering the different EU and NA dates
• Unlink video game
• Windows and Dreamcast → Windows, and Dreamcast

Gameplay

• Unlink video game
• four locations; → four locations:
• Link Tomb Raider in the first paragraph's last sentence, and unlink in the second paragraph's first
• She can search the area → Lara can search the area
• far off areas → distant areas
• themes and mechanics; → themes and mechanics:
• Russian levels includes → Russian levels include (or Russian level includes)

Plot

• I don't think the reference is necessary in the first paragraph
• Unlink Rome
• submarine and wounding → submarine, and wounding

Development and release

• speaking in a 2016 retrospective on the Core Design Tomb Raider games → speaking in 2016 or remove entirely
• Consider removing In a different interview,
• Final Fantasy IX and Dark Earth → Dark Earth and Final Fantasy IX
• gameplay theme; Rome → gameplay theme: Rome
• PC version → Windows version
• second disc. This was done as → second disc, as
• There were several continuity errors—unless I'm missing something, the ref only explicitly refers to one
• not referring to the original game's script beforehand—according to Sandham, it seems more like he didn't refer to it "properly", not that he didn't refer at all
• very short → short
• Windows and Dreamcast → Windows, and Dreamcast
• Consider removing of that year
• promotional ads → promotional advertisements
• November 24 → 24 November
• December 15 → 15 December

Reception

• GameRankings is generally discouraged if Metacritic is available per WP:VGAGG, but these scores are quite different so I'll leave it to you
• Review table:
  • Replace {{Rating}} with plain text (e.g. {{Rating|3|5}} → 3/5) per WP:VG/REC
    • done.
  • The table seems to imply Edge gave three scores per platform, not one overall; consider removing
  • The Next Generation and X-Play reviews either need to be added in prose or removed from the table
    • They were being used. They were the NextGen and Extended Play reviews. I've adjusted them to be more obvious.
      • Oops, that's my bad—I wasn't aware of their name changes. Feel free to restore the original version—perhaps even consider custom parameters to use the contemporary names. ☔
• These paragraphs appear to be grouped by platform, but it's a little confusing to follow
  • The second paragraph doesn't make it clear that it's discussing the PlayStation version until the second sentence
  • The third paragraph starts with PlayStation reviews, but has two non-specific reviews in between
    • I've done my best to better deliniate; general reviews in their own paragraph, PlayStation paragraph clearly shown.
      • That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for, thanks! ☔
• Second paragraph:
  • despite having improved graphics and a good story, the controls → the game had improved graphics and a good story but the controls
  • graphics, praising its details and level design → graphics, details, and level design
  • but again noted → but noted (or but similarly noted)
• Third paragraph:
  • varied opinions; → varied opinions:
  • Reinier → Reiner
  • Mcnamara → McNamara
  • very negative → negative
  • releases. All reviewers → releases, and all reviewers
• Fourth paragraph:
  • the Dreamcast version of The Last Revelation → The Last Revelation's Dreamcast version
  • praised it as graphically → praised the Dreamcast version as graphically, and from the PlayStation version → from the PlayStation
  • Official Dreamcast Magazine (UK) → Official Dreamcast Magazine (UK)
• Fifth paragraph:
  • Eurogamer, → Eurogamer's John Bye
  • mixed on of → mixed on
  • grown up → grown
  • positive generally → generally positive
  • every year → yearly
  • its series decline and its formula → its decline and formula

Legacy

• Italicise (or, rather, unitalicise) Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness in the hatnote using |l1=
• The Angel of Darkness released in 2003 → The Angel of Darkness (2003)
• reception and lead to Eidos taking the property → reception, leading Eidos to take the property

References

• From this revision:
  • Ref 2: consider adding the English title using |trans-title=
  • Ref 2: author is Seiji Nakamura
  • Ref 14, 44: remove |author=
    • WHy did you want me to remove the IGN interview author? The multiple authors for the EGM one I get, but the other's credited at the bottom of the article.
      • Nothing wrong with either of those; I was referring to "Edge staff" in the two Edge refs (now #13 and 43 in this revision). Looks like you've addressed the first; I'll catch the second on my way out. ☔
  • Ref 21 and 22: author is Ash Kapriyelov, consider removing (fan site)
    • The reason I used these is because they were accepted in the article for Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, and the policy on fan sites as I've experienced it is that they're usable for interviews with original staff members. I can remove them if absolutely necessary, but it would part-gut the development section.
      • Sorry, I should have been clearer; I was specifically referring to the mention of "(fan site)" in |website=, as it looks inconsistent with the other refs. Considering using Core-Design.com instead. ☔
  • Ref 34: author is Amer Ajami, date is 18 August 2000, add |url-status=live
  • Ref 40, 41, 42: considering combining using one link, add |publisher=
  • Ref 66: italicise Tomb Raider in parentheses
  • Some changes to publishers:
    • Ref 5, 28, 30: add |publisher= (whether you add the contemporary ZDNet or current Fandom, Inc. is up to you)
    • Ref 7, 8, 29: add |publisher=Ziff Davis
    • Ref 20: Ziff Davis → ZDNet and link
    • Ref 24: remove Irish Times Trust, considering adding |agency=PA Media
    • Ref 31, 62, 65: replace |website= with |publisher=
    • Ref 32: add |publisher=Eidos Interactive
    • Ref 33, 44: Future Publishing → Future plc
    • Ref 35: consider adding |publisher=Aetas Inc.
    • Ref 36: add |publisher=Aspyr
    • Ref 37, 38, 39: add |publisher=CBS Interactive
  • Inconsistent linking (no need to avoid duplicate linking here):
    • Ref 9, 51, 52, 64: link GameSpot and Red Ventures
    • Ref 11, 43, 57: link Ziff Davis
    • Ref 23, 53, 54, 55, 67: link IGN and Ziff Davis
    • Ref 25: link PlayStation Store
    • Ref 44: link Edge
    • Ref 45: link Electronic Gaming Monthly and Ziff Davis
    • Ref 46: link Game Informer and FuncoLand
    • Ref 50: link GamePro and IDG Entertainment
    • Ref 56: link Imagine Media
• I think I've addressed everything here aside from the one comment I made.

Images

• File:Tomb Raider - Chronicles.png and File:TR Chronicles gameplay.jpg are non-free works with sufficient rationale and commentary to justify their usage

Result

That's it for now! Mostly minor stuff, with lots of nitpicking—as before, anything written like this is purely a personal suggestion that can safely be ignored without impacting the review. Putting this on hold until my comments have been addressed. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 02:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Rhain: Did my best to address everything. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake: Looks great, thanks! I've responded above, but I believe you've addressed everything. My only recommendation would be to italicise titles of works in references per MOS:CONFORMTITLE. I'll make some minor edits on my way out, but this is yours: ‍! Great work. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)