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"Controversies"?
editI'm not sure Controversies is the best section header, as it lists issues with toy/gender relationships, but not specific controversies of toy shops and just coloring of toys in general. And it is covered in depth at Gender neutrality#Children's toys. Propose changing it to "Gender Neutrality Issues", or deleting the section and moving it to a single sentence reference in History? Shotgunheist 💬 17:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Oldest toy store?
editThe article for Carl Loebner Torgau, says this is the world's oldest toy store. "The first documented mention of the shop in the history of Torgau goes back to the year 1685." The reference is in German. This would make it a lot older than Hamleys. Blackballnz (talk) 07:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've added Carl Loebner to the page. On the German Wikipedia there are other references, and it would be good to add them (but may require someone with German language skills). Blackballnz (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Covered previously. Self published source. Secondly, and I assume this is why Guinness World Records attribute Hamleys as being the oldest, the Loebner family only moved to that street location in 1780; there is no evidence that it was a toy store in the modern sense before that. Independent source (Dresden Magazine) clarifies (translated from German to English): Many generations of children have pressed their noses in the window of the toy shop Carl Loebner in Torgauer Bäckerstrasse. And not only at Christmas time - but then especially. Children's dreams have been made come true here since 1780. Originally, however, the guild master Johann-George Loebner did not set up a pure sale of the toys he had made himself, but rather a turner's workshop in which he made wooden dolls, drumsticks, spinning tops and other simple toys. In doing so, he continued the tradition of his father Christoph Loebner, who had managed the small company since 1685. Toys would have been made going back millennia, but that would be different a toy retailer. Tub st (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks - this is helpful. I put the tags on the Carl Loebner page as I could see it needed better citations, and the German Wikipedia page looked like it had some (I can't read German). However, if this toystore started in 1780, it's only 20 years later than Hamley's so I think it deserves a mention on this page. Blackballnz (talk) 00:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Covered previously. Self published source. Secondly, and I assume this is why Guinness World Records attribute Hamleys as being the oldest, the Loebner family only moved to that street location in 1780; there is no evidence that it was a toy store in the modern sense before that. Independent source (Dresden Magazine) clarifies (translated from German to English): Many generations of children have pressed their noses in the window of the toy shop Carl Loebner in Torgauer Bäckerstrasse. And not only at Christmas time - but then especially. Children's dreams have been made come true here since 1780. Originally, however, the guild master Johann-George Loebner did not set up a pure sale of the toys he had made himself, but rather a turner's workshop in which he made wooden dolls, drumsticks, spinning tops and other simple toys. In doing so, he continued the tradition of his father Christoph Loebner, who had managed the small company since 1685. Toys would have been made going back millennia, but that would be different a toy retailer. Tub st (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)