Talk:Trampolining

Flip vs Sault

The moves section curently has a paragraph that reads:

Trampoline skills can be written in FIG (Federation Internationale de Gymnastique) shorthand. FIG shorthand consists of one digit signifying the number of quarter rotations, followed by digits representing the number of half twists in each flip, and a symbol representing the position of the skill. “/” represents a straight position, “<” represents a pike position, and “ο” represents a tuck position. For example, 42/ is a backflip with a full twist in the straight position, and 8- - ο is a double back flip with no twists in the tuck position

In artistic gymnastics, the term 'flip' has a very different meaning to the term 'somersault' and I think that 'somersault' is what is intended. I think that 'flip' should be replaced with 'somersault', however, I'm not familiar enough with trampolining to know whether its usage of terms differs from artistic gymnastics. Can someone who is more familiar with the topic clarify? --Spuzzdawg (talk) 07:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Trampolinists in some English-speaking countries, though not all, use the term flip informally to refer to a somersault, but the actual term should be somersault or salto as in the FIG guide referenced. I have changed the article. Dabbler (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

As a reader external to the sport I think this paragraph could be clarified. First it's not clear to me why the notation 42/ is necessarily a "back" somersault, there doesn't seem to be any system to differentiate between front and back. Secondly, why is there only one character marking the "shape"? Is it always a succession of the same shape even when multiple somersaults are involved? What about the last front somersault with half twist before the bounce, is it counted/marked? Joancharmant (talk) 21:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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"Trampolines were originally used in ancient Rome to get soldiers fit for war. " This statement may belong in Trampoline but I have never seen any reference to it in any source. If you can verify it then it could be moved. Dabbler 15:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

External Links

I am concerned about the wholesale (and still somewhat arbitrary) removal of a number of External Links from this article by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry. In particular a number of links providing worthy additional and authoritative material have been excluded since they are hosted by trampoline clubs. Is it not just possible that these sites are the very ones most likely to have some authority on the subject matter? I would appreciate independent review (according to WP:EL) as to the worth of each of the following sites being linked:

• UK Trampolining Online - Retained forum-like site
• UK Trampolining Clubs - Retained club site
• Detailed history of the trampoline and trampolining from the West View Trampolining Club of Preston UK - Removed club site
• List of trampolining moves and terms - Removed site - repeating content already on wikipedia
• Comprehensive trampoline resource area including technical articles by Jack Kelly - Removed club site
• Everything about trampolining and acrobatic sports - Retained forum-like site
• Beginners Guide to Trampolining - Removed club site
• Trampolining moves skills forum with coaching points, progressions, common faults, tariffs & more - Removed forum-like site
• {{dmoz|Trampoline}} - New link to a non-existent DMOZ page

DaveK@BTC 20:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Dave, what I'm worried about is a potential conflict of interest. I kept the top link, as it seems to be a national site. I also kept the next one down, as it lists trampoline clubs. Link number three was removed because the content from it should be included in the Wikipedia article History of trampolining. Site number four repeats what should be at Trampolining terms. Site number five is a conflict of interest - you are "Dave Kingaby, Club Coach & webmaster" of Brentwood trampoline club, yes?

Site number six is nothing like a forum. From what I can see, it's a trampolining news site - it's a news site, and if you look at the team who created it, it's run by world champions.

Site number seven I removed because although it's a 'Beginners guide', upon reading it, it's an explanation of the moves and scoring involved, and thus falls into a Wikipedia article. The final site, however, was this on, which is not a forum, yet I removed regardless. I was wrong in doing this, although the site is already linked from the article and does not need a second link.

I was also at fault with the DMOZ link. It should be 'Trampoline and Tumbling' and not just 'Trampolining'. I've rectified this. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 19:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Apart from most of the links being very UK-centric I also see that the top site seems to be really a commercial venture advertising clothing etc. I don't think that it should be in Wikipedia and will remove it.Dabbler 20:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that removal. I left it in, though, because it's got a few helpful tools, and apparently lets you access the world rankings. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 22:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The site providing listings of UK sites is 'useful' although is not a national site but a club site providing a good service. The correct national site is that provided by British Gymnastics, our governing body, but the 'find-a-club' tool is not trampolining-friendly although accessible through BG's site at http://www.british-gymnastics.org/maps/map.php.

I have never hidden my interest and I do still believe that the subject matter provided by Jack Kelly (National Trampoline Squad Director in BG) on the BrentwoodTC site is worthy, challenging, as it does, a number of misguided coaching practices over the years where difficulty was pushed before form. Other sites are similarly useful, for example the beginners guide, since this is regularly updated as the sport changes rules etc... and avoids Wikipedia (and/or its contributors) unnecessarily duplicating material. DaveK@BTC 08:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed as non-encyclopedic

While the following is true, it doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia article on the sport but in a manual of some sort. You could also consider whether it might be more appropriate in some modified form in Trampoline.

Trampoline Safety

While trampolining is exciting, fun and good exercise it does have its dangers. Most countries have trampoline associations and, from these, codes of conduct can be obtained. However, for the beginner, the following basic rules and recommendations should be followed.

1. No one would install a swimming pool and not teach their children to swim. So find out where your local trampoline club is and join otherwise read up on the subject as a basic coach or go on a coach course.

2. Follow the advice of the trampoline manufacturer about siting and play.

3. Discourage having more than one person at a time on the trampoline.(Two consecutive impacts can cause the second person to be "kipped" that is impelled with nearly twice the power expected.)

4. Have people who are not on the trampoline stand round the trampoline ready to push fallers back on or lower them safely to the ground. These are called "spotters" who should be "spotting". Spotters are compulsary at ALL trampoline competitions.

5. Do not attempt "moves" that you have not been trained to do.

6. If you feel you or your child has real talent then join a club early. Self taught moves are invariably of very poor technique and will have to be relearned. Dabbler 15:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Dabbler - I think there is an argument for some reference here to safety since the dangers are known and recordable facts and worthy of note to anybody researching trampolining. I do not disagree that actual safety guidelines could be referred to as an external or alternative wiki-reference. One possibility might be my own club's website www.brentwoodtc.org/safety.htm (where I have just noted a couple of broken links!!) DaveK@BTC 16:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't disagree that safety is important, but there is already a Trampoline Safety section in the other article Trampoline which deals more with the actual apparatus. Perhaps we could put in something here about spotters and mats, end decks and padding since they are actually used during competitions.Dabbler 17:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Related Sports

Noting Dabblers removal of reference to Bossaball & Slamball - I almost did the same but they are 'legitimate' sports that use trampolines, they are just not trampolining. Maybe we should have a 'related sports' section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveK@BTC (talk • contribs)

Both sports are referenced on Trampoline which is appropriate because they do use trampoline apparatus. They bear no resemblance to the sport of trampolining. Dabbler 11:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Effects of rebounding?

This article doesn't mention the purported health effects of the rebounding trend. I came here looking for any sort of scientific research on the claims that bouncing on a trampoline is a safe, effective exercise and that its not a waste of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.24.222 (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is about the sport of trampolining, perhaps you should look at Trampoline which covers the apparatus and its use in a more general way. Or even write a section on the health benefits yourself if you can find good articles on the subject to reference. Dabbler (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

There are some resources here http://www.brentwoodtc.org/health_benefits.htm DaveK@BTC (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Olympic symbol image

I removed the symbol rather than attach a Citation Needed tag to it. These symbols are changed for each Games, so at the very least we need to identify at which games this symbol was used. However, I can't recall any of the symbols from Athens or Sydney that looked like that one and I know that the Beijing symbol wan't like that. I haven't been able to track down official images though to be certain one way or the other. Hey, So Im #1 on Trampoline! Try To Beat me!! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.210.35.171 (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 24 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) echidnaLives - talk - edits 09:35, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Trampolining → Trampoline & tumbling – Although FIG officially calls these events collectively "trampoline gymnastics", the more common terminology in English is Trampoline & tumbling (see [1]) with ampersand or T&T for short, because tumbling is part of competitions and does not involve a trampoline. "Trampoline gymnastics" is an ambiguous term because it often refers to trampoline only exclusive of tumbling (eg [2][3][4]). In fact, as far as I can tell "trampoline gymnastics" and "trampolining" more often refer to trampoline only than both trampoline and tumbling in reliable sources. (t · c) buidhe 20:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: Regardless of whether these activities are often grouped together for purposes of organized sporting competitions, they are two very different activities. Many more people have trampolines than have 25-metre sprung tumbling tracks, and there is no obligation to practice tumbling in order to engage in trampolining (at least unless someone wants to engage in specific organized competitions). Moreover, as the article on the subject says, "tumbling" has more than one meaning. Also, trampolining is an Olympic sport and tumbling is not, so they are clearly not always coupled together even for competition purposes. I'm also not fond of the suggestion to use the "&" symbol. Wikipedia styling only uses "&" in titles when it is part of the styling of a creative work or a trademark, and this is not one of those. Here the suggested use is merely for the decorative purpose of looking nice in a succinct abbreviation. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

  BarrelProof I wouldn't be opposed to a split where this article only covers Trampolining while the article notes that Tumbling (sport) is also counted as part of "trampoline gymnastics" by the FIG. As for popularity, this article is not about the recreational use of backyard trampolines and so forth, which is covered by the trampoline article, but the competitive sport of trampolining. Nor would I oppose a title with "and" instead if that's the consensus. However, I do not think the current article title is appropriate for the current article scope. (t · c) buidhe 18:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

  The trampoline article seems to be (at least primarily) about the physical device(s) rather than the sporting activity involving its use (opening sentence: "A trampoline is a device consisting of ..."). In my opinion, this article should cover the sporting activity, regardless of whether that is part of a specific organization or not. Analogous article pairs may be Bicycle versus Cycling, Gun versus Shooting, and Bow and arrow versus Archery. (The ping didn't work; it only works when properly formatted in the initial edit that bears a signature.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

  The fact that Trampoline & tumbling and Trampoline and tumbling are red links further reinforces my impression that practically no one is using the proposed term (either with "&" or "and") to find information on Wikipedia about these topics or is considering those two topics to be a necessarily bundled package. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

  BarrelProof They ARE bundled for the purpose of the international sporting competitions that this article is currently about. As I said, I'm not opposed to a rescope or splitting of the article, but for now it is about the sub-sport of gymnastics which includes both trampoline and tumbling events. (t · c) buidhe 05:33, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

  Aside from the scope question, your first sentence doesn't really seem to be correct. The opening sentence of the article says "Trampolining or trampoline gymnastics is a competitive Olympic sport". But tumbling is not an Olympic sport. The Olympics is a well-known international sporting competition and it does not bundle trampolining and tumbling together as a coupled named activity. Perhaps that is because tumbling is just considered a variant of trampolining (like double mini trampolining or synchronized trampolining) – but if that is the case, then tumbling doesn't need to be mentioned in the article title. I'm also not so sure that the article should consider only international competition. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:26, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per BarrelProof, and the '&' seems a non-starter per Wikipedia style. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Even if this is technically the combined sport, common usage would have trampolining in its own right, without inclusion of tumbling.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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