Talk:Tunisians

Orphaned references in Tunisian people

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tunisian people's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cff":

• From Culture of Tunisia: History of Tunisian Cinema Archived October 28, 2008, at the Wayback Machine
• From Cinema of Tunisia: History of Tunisian Cinema Archived 2008-10-28 at the Wayback Machine

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Required clarification

Dance section

I quote the following;
"the origin of this dance goes back further to the era of matriarchy in Mesopotamia".. what does it mean by era of matriarchy in Mesopotamia?
"The Nuba, more rooted in popular practice, is linked to the dancers and the Kerkennah Djerba to a lesser extent."Amr F.Nagy (talk) 23:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Zitouna Mosque, a symbol of Islamic architecture in Tunisia.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 04:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Tunisian Ethnogenesis

Edits by 141.84.69.80 and 2603:7080:301:a358:3427:8dd7:1cb4:ca2f highlight disagreement over whether Tunisians constitute an ethnic group and nation or simply just a nation. The lead of the article suggests that they do based on the definition provided on the wikipedia page for an ethnic group.

Users have been deleting already existing sourced data in order to argue their point of view. 76.65.143.4 (talk) 05:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Poorly sourced Arab-centric POV edits

Edits were undone that added poorly sourced data that clearly were used to push a particular point of view.

The user deleted all references to related ethnic groups except for "other Arabs" and replaced a picture of Dido with a picture of an Uqba ibn Nafi.

The user's source that claims that French is a minority language is broken, and also contradicts stats from the OIE. The user also removed sections that discussed the majority of Tunisians being primarily of Berber decent with a Britannica source that doesn't actually make a claim for Tunisians being primarily of Arab "ethnic" decent.

Very questionable edits. 2A01:CB0C:88AB:5400:B040:72C1:9C2E:8C4E (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, it seems that users have been using a strategy of removing citations from pre-existing data, and then replacing "unsourced data". WP:VANDAL 2A01:CB0C:88AB:5400:B040:72C1:9C2E:8C4E (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you kindly back up this exact statement with a source: "Regarding ethnicity, the vast majority are of Berber descent." And then you can gladly keep it in the article. While regarding French as a minority Language, here you go: Encyclopedia Britannica: Tunisia, Thanks. MWahaiibii (talk) 09:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Your citation for French being a minority language doesn't say French is a minority language. It says that"It continues to play an important role in the press, education, and government." According to this source a majority of Tunisians use French in daily life. [1]

As for the vast majority being of Berber descent: [2] [3] [4] 2A01:CB0C:88AB:5400:30FD:7BEC:BE2B:2CA1 (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

The languages section is meant to be for native spoken languages not foreign second languages, if the latter is true, then in nearly most of the ethnicities' pages we should add English since it's the most spoken foreign second language in many countries. Now regarding these Berber descent sources, they are DNA related, nothing to do with modern ethnicity, so you can put them where they belong to, the Genetics section. Therefore, the sentence "Regarding ethnicity, the vast majority are of Berber descent." is still to be removed if you cannot find a source to support it. MWahaiibii (talk) 13:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

In Tunisia, French is not considered to be a foreign second language. Tunisia, and it's first post-independence president is a founding member of the OIF. Education is bilingual French/Arabic with all students studying the sciences and mathematics in French. Higher education and commerce in conducted in French. Government documents are produced in Arabic and French, all road signs and the francophone press is an integral part of society.

You keep trying to replace a section that claims that Tunisians are of Arab decent. The sources provided refute that. As for descent, what do you think DNA shows? "Regarding ethnicity, the vast majority are of Berber descent." is factually correct. 2A01:CB0C:88AB:5400:30FD:7BEC:BE2B:2CA1 (talk) 15:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

It does not matter if it is used in math and science, the language section in the template for the most part is for native languages, you can mention that they use French everyday in the article's body but not in the Language section which is usually reserved for native languages only. For example, English is also widely used in India and has a history prior to Independence but still it's not included in the Languages section because It's not native. Check the languages section of: Moroccans, Egyptians, Saudis, Indians, Swedes and all the other ethnic groups articles. No non-native languages are included at all.

Regarding the sentence "Regarding ethnicity, the vast majority are of Berber descent" DNA is not ethnicity. This sentence belongs to the Genetics section below and should also omit the "Regarding ethnicity" part. If you are still not understanding there is a difference between an Ethnicity and Ancestry/Genetics. All the sources you cited does not support at all the statement "Regarding ethnicity, the vast majority are of Berber descent" but rather supports more a statement along the lines of "Regarding genetics, the vast majority are of Berber descent".

Finally, no I'm not aiming at replacing anything with the claim "Tunisians are of Arab decent". This whole article is greatly filled with POV and wholly unsourced paragraphs, but honestly as of now I cannot spend that much time to fix it all. Therefore, my only requests now is to move the French language to minority or remove it at all and also move this statement to the Genetics section where it belongs. MWahaiibii (talk) 20:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 29 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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Tunisian people → Tunisians – Per WP:CONSISTENCY, WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. Nations that have a singular non-gendered unambiguous name are usually labelled as such. Only in cases where such a form doesn't exist, as with French people, Dutch people or Japanese people, is the form "foo people" used. See User:Privybst/UN member states nations. Privybst (talk) 08:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support Rreagan007 (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Super Ψ Dro 21:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.