Talk:UFC on ESPN: Hermansson vs. Vettori

ESPN2 events

Hello everyone. I brought this issue up at User:Ppt1973 talk page as he was the one who moved the event from UFC Fight Night 185 to UFC on ESPN 19, but he completely ignored me. Therefore, I'm bringing the subject to everyone here. I'll quote my message there with some adjustments: I did not find a reliable source saying that this event will be broadcast by ESPN. I asked him that, but got nothing back as mentioned. The only thing I've found in the ESPN website was that it will be broadcast by ESPN2 (see here). We had UFC Fight Night: Santos vs. Teixeira and will have UFC Fight Night: Blaydes vs. Lewis being broadcast simultaneously by ESPN2 and ESPN+. To avoid new names and confusions (just like when he had Fox Sports 1 and 2), we kept them as Fight Nights. Apparently this one (as of now) will be broadcast solo on ESPN2. We either change those two events to "UFC on ESPN" (which I disagree per what I've just said) or we keep them as Fight Nights, regardless of being simultaneously broadcast in their streaming service (which seems like a better option). I even changed the Template:UFC Events back then: Fight Nights (on ESPN+ or ESPN2). I'd like to hear your thoughts on that as this discussion will mean at least that this event will be renamed or the other two. Thanks. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@Discographer, Udar55, Cassiopeia, IMAHua, Ticelon, A.lanzetta, InedibleHulk, PRehse, Ppt1973, Psycho-Krillin, HeinzMaster, Fbdave, Sdpdude9, 29cwcst, Dwanyewest, and WWE Batman131: Please ping others. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 00:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Gsfelipe94: for pinging. I am for your first choice above, being UFC on ESPN, for the continuity of consistent numbering, that is to not break the sequential count. Please see the table below.

List of UFC events
Date	Sherdog	mmajunkie
November 7, 2020	UFC on ESPN 17: Santos vs. Teixeira	UFC on ESPN 17: Santos vs. Teixeira
November 28, 2020	UFC on ESPN 18: Blaydes vs. Lewis	UFC on ESPN 18: Blaydes vs. Lewis

Thanks, --Discographer (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I second what User:Discographer's table above and including UFC Fight Night 185 to UFC on ESPN 19 by Ppt1973. ESPN+ XX (UFC on ESPN+ XX) = UFC Fight Night XXX; and ESPN XX = UFC on ESPN XX which is the norm and also for the for the continuity of consistent numbering. We have to edit Santos vs. Teixeira and Blaydes vs. Lewis UFC Fight Night events to UFC on ESPN: XXX vs. XXX. I would like to recommend the usual editors who have normally done the same type of edits where by User:Ppt1973 moves and changes all the Event names from UFC Fight Night: Santos vs. Teixeira onwards and also rework on all the fighters' pages on the associated event name which they have fought or are scheduled to fight. User:Gsfelipe94 could help to relink the right event names on the background of the event pages if there is any info to update. I will update all the events name which the fighters have fought or are scheduled to fight on List of current UFC fighters. If we have the agreement here then let Ppt1973 to start the work first then Felipe and I will then edits accordingly as per proposal above. Stay safe everyone and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 05:23, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm up for it. It's just that noboby brought that up before and it would most likely be ignored until who knows when. Unfortunately the commitment here has been very poor. As soon as it's good to go, let's change it. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 10:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hulk hears you, Hulk don't care. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the great contribution. Good to know you should not be pinged again. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 21:01, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Depends on the subject. If I pinged someone to a proposal, I'd like to at least know they read it and weren't interested. If it happens again, I'll leave you hanging. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

There won't be a second time. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 10:02, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Gsfelipe94. If the event is on ESPN, it should be a UFC on ESPN event. ESPN2 is a different channel entirely, so it should follow the same format of any shows that have appeared on that channel (or ESPN+) in the past. Udar55 (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm honestly up for either of the proposals. Since main media have been calling the previous two events involved in this situation as "UFC on ESPN", it would be better apparently to follow that direction. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Have a safe day, and enjoy the fights! IMAHua (talk) 00:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm with the option to keep the ones on ESPN2 as normal Fight Nights. HeinzMaster (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

HeinzMaster The proposal ESPN2 is no on normal Fight Night but ESPN+. ESPN(1/2) is on UFC on ESPN. thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 04:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA I see, sorry got confused, ESPN this ESPN that. I think we change them to UFC on ESPN even if they are broadcast on both channels. Just for the sake of numbering HeinzMaster (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

That's what we have so far:

• Change the other two events to "on ESPN": Discographer, Cassiopeia, Gsfelipe94, HeinzMaster.
• Change this event to Fight Night: Udar55.
• Neutral: InedibleHulk, IMAHua.

It has been three days since the other editors were pinged. Should we wait a little bit longer? Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

It has been three days, so I am for immediately changing these. The first of these two had previously been created by me, mistakenly as a redirect, so it was nonetheless deleted. Thanks to the editor(s) who will move these two articles to their rightful designated places:

• UFC Fight Night: Santos vs. Teixeira → UFC on ESPN: Santos vs. Teixeira
• UFC Fight Night: Blaydes vs. Lewis → UFC on ESPN: Blaydes vs. Lewis

Thanks for all you've done too, Gsfelipe94. Best, --Discographer (talk) 19:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Let's wait until tomorrow, but do not wait for me on those moves. Feel free to do them. We can all fix those related articles. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm fixing them now. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Discographer, Udar55, Cassiopeia, IMAHua, Ticelon, A.lanzetta, Gsfelipe94, PRehse, Ppt1973, Psycho-Krillin, HeinzMaster, Fbdave, Sdpdude9, 29cwcst, Dwanyewest, and WWE Batman131:. Thank you Gsfellipe94 for renaming and moving all the Event page, starting from UFC on ESPN 17 (Nov 7, 2020) to UFC Fight Night 188 (March 6, 2020) and List of UFC events. I have changed all the body text and fight record on the fighters and List of current UFC fighters page as associated with the new event names. I also updated the new event names in 2020 in UFC, 2021 in UFC, Templates - Ultimate Fighting Championship events, 2020 in mixed martial arts, 2021 in mixed martial arts, Reidrects - UFNxxx and UFC on ESPN+ and UFC Fight NightXXX. Thank you everyone. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)