Talk:Toghon Temür

The passage about the descendants of Confucius is controversial because his ethnicity is described as "Dong-Yi" a designation as non-Han chinese and likely from a Korean group. The passage about Confucious in this article is needlessly divisive and biased toward a Han chauvanist point of view, and is an example of chinese historical revisionism, one of many examples promoted by china currrently.

The passage around Empress Ki had a problematic tone and was unbalanced in its content. It needed to be put into historic context better or else removed entirely. Empress Ki herself was an important figure in East Asian history and needed to be treated much better than the cursory way it was originally written, again likely from a Han-chinese chauvanist contributor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumaiyahle (talk • contribs) 21:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Sumaiyahle (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

The few lines about Empress Ki in this article are very negative, not at all mentioning what it says in the main article on Empress Gi: "one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods for Yuan and in China's history as a whole". Toove (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Names

Why is it that the article title includes two names - Ukhaantu Khan and Huizong - and then the article proceeds to call him Toghun Temür throughout? Either the article is titled wrongly, or else the text should be changed to call him by one of the names he's called in the title. john k 23:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

On GBooks, it's 5 post-2000 results for "Toghan temur" -wikipedia, 5 for "Ukhaantu Khan" -wikipedia, and 92 for "Togon-temür" -wikipedia. Britannica uses "Togon-temür". Kauffner (talk) 02:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Cf. WP:USEENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME. It doesn't matter what Britannica calls him. I'll fix it in a sec.

That said, even factoring the Song guy in, this page should probably be at Huizong or Shundi. I'll let somebody else fight that battle, though, since it's probably tied to some policy for all of the Yuan pages. — LlywelynII 21:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Welp, guess I can't. Dammit. Be right back... — LlywelynII 23:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

How about the articles about other Yuan emperors after Kublai Khan then? Current article naming seems to be inconsistent. For example, how should the article Temür Khan, Emperor Chengzong of Yuan be named? --Evecurid (talk) 01:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Also note the article for his successor is named Biligtü Khan Ayushiridara, not sure if this can be considered an example for other articles. --Evecurid (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Togon-temür → Toghon Temür – Per WP:COMMONNAME.

Jeez, there're too many variants of this guy's names and too many people who share it.

A cursory ngram will give you results like this, but it's misleading since most of the Chinese results are talking about other emperors. Of the many, many variants of the Mongolian name, "Toghon Temur" is the most common. That brings it up to a still pitiful 4th place. Going through Books and Scholar to exclude unrelated hits, though, leaves 71 for Huizong, 61 for Shundi, and 60 for Toghon Temur. (There're still more for Shun Ti/Shun-ti, even at Scholar, but they're obviously dated.) Since Huizong and Shun would need lots of dabbing and aren't appreciably more common, we can use the Mongolian but we should use the normal form of it with or without the umlauts.  — LlywelynII 23:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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