Talk:Overactive bladder

Disease, Syndrome, or Symptom?

I was listening to "on point" on NPR and apparently this is a disease that was created by a marketing department.

http://multimedia.boston.com/pub/m/20160045/our_daily_meds.htm?col=en-all-pod_boston-ep...&q=%22New+York%22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.48.234.219 (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd heard something along those lines, but at this point the jury is out. It would still be a good idea to address the controversy.JIMfoamy1 (talk) 00:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything that's an RS, just some blogs and such. Without a little support from good sources, addressing it in the article may be hard. 71.231.186.92 (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I have replaced the symptom box with a diseasebox. A collection of symptoms is a syndrome, and this disease is has been standardised as 'overactive bladder syndrome' by the International Continence Society here as overactive bladder syndrome, and by over 27,000 google scholar articles. LT90001 (talk) 00:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

too complex sentence

"In 2008 researchers found that simulating the condition in rats caused overactivation of their locus coeruleus, and it is thought this could cause anxiety and disrupted sleep in humans.[4]" Sorry I don't understand what you mean here. Can you write this in a less complex sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.156.34 (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Advantages/disadvantages fields in table

I moved this discussion to Talk:Treatments for overactive bladder when the content being discussed moved to Treatments for overactive bladder. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

No mention of Vitamin B12

Vitamin B12 can help OAB patients, and a lack of it can cause OAB. http://www.b12deficiency.info/blog/tag/bladder-incontinence/ http://www.livestrong.com/article/390405-vitamins-for-an-overactive-bladder/ http://trudytriumph.com/b12-zink-and-other-obsoletes-with-a-neurogenic-bladder/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.243.48.54 (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Those websites are not OK per WP:MEDRS Jytdog (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Bowel urgency

I think colorectal surgeons also use the term "urgency" referring to a similar symptom with the bowel. Here is a definition I found in 2 seconds from an online dictionary: "bowel urgency -- the sudden, almost uncontrollable, need to defecate."

This should be mentioned in the article, or a separate article made I think Moribundum (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Source added with no text

@Qdinar what info does this added source support?

Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare , by Peter C. Gøtzsche Moribundum (talk) 12:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

i though that just an additional source is interesting and useful for readers. he writes there something like the drugs that block neuromediators (acetylcholine?) have very little effect. i have found this source in russian wikipedia. Qdinar (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello / здравствуйте! Thank you for response. The source was added to this part: "Few people get complete relief with medications and all medications are no more than moderately effective." Does the source contain this exact info, related to overactive bladder? If it does not contain that exact info, it would be better to add what info the book does contain, for example that this category of medication has v little effect on overactive bladder. Moribundum (talk) 05:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

he says:

The effects are statistically significant, but as everything gets statistically significant, no matter how small the effect is, if only there are enough patients, we should always look at the data. The number of leakage episodes per 24 hours in the largest study was 3.2 on drug and 3.3 on placebo, and the number of pees (called micturitions in doctor’s language) was 10 on drug and 11 on placebo in the two studies that reported on this.⁶ That doesn’t seem a worthwhile effect, does it?
Particularly not when you consider that all drug have harms. ...

he refers to "Nabi G, Cody JD, Ellis G, et al. Anticholinergic drugs versus placebo for overactive bladder syndrome in adults. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006; 4: CD003781.". i have found that at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17054185/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8729219/ and they say:

Authors' conclusions: The use of anticholinergic drugs by people with overactive bladder syndrome results in statistically significant improvements in symptoms. Recent trials suggest that this is associated with modest improvement in quality of life. Dry mouth is a common side effect of therapy but did not seem to have an effect on the numbers of withdrawals. It is not clear whether any benefits are sustained during long-term treatment or after treatment stops.

seems he refers to "Zinner 2004", 3.19 and 3.33, and "Chapple, 2004b", 9.92 and 10.99 . these numbers are in attached images.

considering there is no errors in Peter C. Gøtzsche's thinking and referring, interpreting, the article, 3.2 vs 3.3, 10 vs 11 does not look much, and he says: not worthwhile effect. that is not about number of patients. i cannot understand, how much part of the patients had how big or low numbers, i do not have enough knowledge. may be there were many people who got bigger positive effect and many people who got zero or negative effect, in number of leakage/pees. i do not understand why he does not look at "change in leakage episodes" and "change in micturitions" studies. i do not understand why he looks only only to the studies with biggest number of patients.

ok, i will try to add this reference with other text, or delete it.

-- Qdinar (talk) 13:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

i have deleted it because i am not sure in quality of this book. i need to read some critics/replies to it, but i do not want yet. Qdinar (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

incomplete "sentence"

"Diabetes insipidus, which causes high frequency and volume, though not necessarily urgency."

Could someone please make this into a complete sentence, thereby clarifying what exactly it is supposed say/ why it is there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3036:26D:76BD:D115:3562:732A:3D9D (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done --R. S. Shaw (talk) 05:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal

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The result of this discussion was a consensus to merge. Just-a-can-of-beans (talk) 01:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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I think Treatments for overactive bladder should be merged here, Overactive bladder. The separate treatments page does not contain substantially more information, and is not well-maintained. Just-a-can-of-beans (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• agree--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

  Support, for reasons of short text and context. Klbrain (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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