Talk:V (poem)

Tony Harrison Reading V

In four parts on 'YouTube' at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVdIq8ID_g&feature=related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.233.118 (talk) 01:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The title is 'v.', as in lowercase-v-fullstop

I've looked up the original publication in LRB, volume 7, issue 1, 24-01-1985, pp 12-13. The title there, in the TOC (between single-quotes, like all other poems), and again on page 12, consists of a lowercase-v followed by a fullstop. I checked the titles before and after it, they did not have a fullstop, so it's not LRB added punctuation.

Meanwhile, their website [1] lists the title as 'V.', capital-V-fullstop. Although my library subscribes to LRB and their website, "For copyright or other reasons, this article is not available online." I suspect it's "other reasons".

His publisher uses 'v.' on their webpage and about the book. I will note that their internal links at the bottom use V., with a capital-V. Amazon.com lists it as 'v.' and also (but note cover artwork has V.) The TOC of his Selected Poems lists it as 'v.'.

This is so definitive, I'm going to move this page to V. (poem). That's with a capital-V, because the WP software does not allow for lowercase initial letters in article titles, they are automatically converted to uppercase. However, there's a template to render the article title as lower case, which I'll then put in. Choor monster (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus for house style — JFG ^talk 15:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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v. (poem) → V (poem) – To remove the full stop. Neither of the two cited independent sources include the full stop (or use lowercase). Wikipedia has its own styling guidance (e.g., MOS:TM, WP:TITLETM, MOS:CT) and does not necessarily follow self-published styling – especially when usage in reliable sources does not consistently follow self-published styling – and decorative full stops, and especially terminating full stops, are generally frowned upon in Wikipedia article titles. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —Guanaco 08:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

• Not sure am seeing a number of English sources which do use the dot. This is different from the decorative stylisms used in Japanese language sources for Japanese pop products. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:55, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree that it's not nearly as clear-cut as the Japanese pop culture cases. This could be seen as punctuation of a single-letter abbreviation (e.g., abbreviation of "versus" or "victory"). However, the article only cited two sources, and neither one of them uses the full stop (and both use uppercase). One of those is a very low-quality source (just a very poorly formatted copy of the poem, perhaps a copyvio, along with some advertising and an anonymous forum comment) – I just removed that one. But the other one was the BBC, which is independent and reliable. Looking for attribution for a couple of direct quotes in the article, I found a third source – an article in The Independent. It also does not include the full stop (and uses uppercase). —BarrelProof (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support. The two cites in the article, both to reputable sources, use uppercase V and no full stop.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:02, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support - Should be consistent with other titles using parenthetical disambiguation instead of mere full stops. Also, should not appease fandom. No other need to explain why. --George Ho (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per normal non-decorated style guidelines. Dicklyon (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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