Talk:Victor Jaques

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that British Brigadier Victor Jaques was almost killed by friendly fire from an American aircraft in Bangkok in 1945? "at least one round from a P-38 hit less than 10ft from Brigadier Hector a "British liaison officer"... Brigadier Hector apparently was a code name for Brigadier Victor Jacques" from page 19 of: Bergin, Bob (December 2011). "OSS and Free Thai Operations in World War II". Studies in Intelligence. 55 (4).
  • ALT1:... that British Brigadier Victor Jaques travelled in and out of Japanese-occupied Thailand several times in 1945 as part of his work for the Special Operations Executive? Reynolds p320 describes Jacques' first trip to Thailand for Force 136, p336 his return on 1 June and p376 his return in mid-August: Reynolds, E. Bruce (6 January 2005). Thailand's Secret War: OSS, SOE and the Free Thai Underground during World War II. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-139-44259-6.
  • ALT2: ... that in early 1945 the 6 foot 4 inch (1.93m) tall Brigadier Victor Jaques drove round the streets of Thailand wearing his British Army uniform without being accosted by its Japanese garrison?"Victor Jaques was able to drive round the streets of the Thai capital wearing British uniform, while it was still under Japanese occupation" from: page 174 of: Gooch, John (12 November 2012). Decisive Campaigns of the Second World War. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-136-28888-3. and "Jacques ... 6 feet 4 inches tall" from page 150 of: *Jones, Jones Clive (21 May 2019). Clandestine Lives of Colonel David Smiley: Code Name 'Grin'. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 978-1-4744-4117-9.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nathan Maguire

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 17:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC).

• New article that was moved to mainspace on 11 August 2021‎ is 14,548 characters and nominated on the same day. No copyvios detected and duplication detector of main sources[1][2] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (AGF scanned refs which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Main hook is 117 characters long (ALT1 is 167; ALT2 is 191); all three are under 200 character max. and are interesting. Refs that verifying main hook, ALT1, and ALT2 are reliable sources. QPQ done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Jaques

Hi User:Paul_012, thanks for adding more detail on his early life. It had been troubling me that I couldn't find any record of his military service or awards in the London Gazette but I saw that the source you used stated that his surname was sometimes spelt Jaques. I've no found his records (his middle name was Henry also). I'll dump them here for now but look to add them in to the article when I can:

Was in Officer Training Corps. Commissioned probationary 2nd lt in the 2rd bn, Royal Sussex Regiment 16 May 1915. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29162/page/4662

Ended probation 7 June 1916 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29615/supplement/5713

Promoted to acting rank of captain 10 December 1916 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29920/supplement/958

Promoted to lt 1 July 1917 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30553/supplement/2707

Awarded MC "for conspicuous gallantry and dash during a raid on enemy trenches" 15 October 1918. Citation commends him for his organisation and leadership of the raid, after which he led a patrol to search no mans land for three snipers under machine gun and trench mortar fire https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30950/supplement/12078

Bar to MC 15 February 1919 was attached to 2nd bn of the regiment at this time. Was still acting captain https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31183/supplement/2368

relinquished acting rank 21 december 1918 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31417/supplement/8015

Acting captain again while in command of a company in 3rd bn 7 jan to 3 april 1919. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31417/supplement/8016

Relinquished acting rank of captain 4 APril 1919 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31344/supplement/6188

Bar to MC was for an attack on German positions north of the Ormignon River on 18 September 1918. "he handled his company throughout with conspicuous ability and displayed great gallantry". Once the objective had been achieved he reorganised his own company and, under heavt machin gun fire, platoons in other companies whose officers had been kiled or wounded. He afterwards volunetered to lead two of these platoons forwards to exploiut an opportunity, during which he was wounded. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31480/supplement/9697

Appointed aide de camp 4 April 1919 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31567/page/11889

Relinquished ADC appointment 3 November 1919. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31710/supplement/16103

Relinquished his commission 1 April 1920 and was promoted to captain https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32170/page/12551

Rejoined Royal Sussex Regiment as a lt 26 May 1940 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34883/supplement/3925

Was major and temporary lt-col when mentioned in dispatches 11 January 1945 for service in Italy https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36886/supplement/327

acting colonel when appointed OBE for service in ital, 19 APril 1945 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37039/supplement/2068

relinquished hi socmmission 20 May 1946, by which time he held the war substantive rank of lt-col and was granted the honorary rank of colonel https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37570/supplement/2390

13 June 1946 awarded CBE for his actions while on the staff of the supreme allied commander, Southeast Asia. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37598/supplement/2786

Awarded DSO 7 November 1946 "in recognition of gallant and distinguished services while engaged in Special Operations in South East Asia" https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/37780/supplement/5466

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumelow (talk • contribs) 13:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Looking at Google Books results, it does seem that Jaques might be the preferred spelling? I'll leave it to you to decide if the article should be renamed (and to take care of its further development). I did a brief search of his name when writing the British Club article, but didn't see many immediately available results, so it's a rather neat surprise to see the detailed biography you came up with.

PS I haven't been able to confirm his birth/death dates in other sources (I'm not familiar with most genealogy websites), but did find a Victor Jacques who lived during the exact same years but is buried in Belgium.[3] A weird coincidence? Curious. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Paul_012, I've now incorporated the above and a few new sources. I agree that Jaques seems to be more common (and is "official" as recorded by the Gazette) so I've moved the article. It's possible he added the 'c' himself as its only recorded by the later sources - Dumelow (talk) 08:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)