Talk:Victor Neuburg (poet)
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"Substantial edits"
edit@Xxanthippe: No "substantial edits" were made. The text itself was not changed. Each edit was in itself simple and clearly explained in the edit summary. While there is no "requirement" to explain edits, I simply promoted three Sources, which were inappropriately listed as Further reading (Further reading should be additional, not a relisting of sources already used in citations) into a list of Works cited, corrected errors in the citations (wrong publisher, missing dates, added ISBNs), and then replaced the duplicate citations in the body of the article with short citations linked to those formerly listed as "Further reading". There were only two sources remaining so I also moved them to Works cited. Don't revert just because you don't understand the edits or because they look complex (that's a sign of WP:OWN). Read the article and observe the presentation to see what was done. Wholesale reverts of multiple edits are a form of edit-warring: you have the ability to step through the edits one-by-one and read the edit summmaries and compare what was said to what was done. What I did improved the article: Don't revert me again without good reason. I will consider it edit-warring.
You also reverted requests for missing citations for quoted verse and for claims made about them. For example, the verse beginning "A sausage-lipped songster of Steyning" - how do we know this is about Neuburg? Who says it is? Where did Crowley publish the verse? Which of his books is it in? There are no citations for either the verse or the claim that introduces it. Similarly, who says that The Triumph of Pan "shows the distinct influence of Crowley"? Is it supposed to somehow be obvious to the reader ignorant of the topic? And while the quotation of the verse is attributed, it isn't cited. Why not? Skyerise (talk) 23:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've now provided citations for all of the above except for the "shows the distinct influence of Crowley" bit. Can't find anyone who makes this statement. Is it in Fuller? Skyerise (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nevermind. It's Sutin who makes this assertion. Skyerise (talk) 00:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Xxanthippe: And before you revert me again, please note that I was preparing to better source and potentially expand the article. There are now 13 sources, where before there were 6; and 21 footnotes, where before there were 7. Please don't revert experienced editors (17 years, 130,000 edits) without taking a closer look at what they are doing; and asking questions if necessary. Skyerise (talk) 05:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Overemphasis on Crowley
editThe article as it stands seems to overemphasize Crowley. Neuburg is just as famous for having discovered (via "The Poet's Corner"), and having been the first publisher of, Dylan Thomas, and that deserves expanded coverage under its own heading. Skyerise (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Also, the lead mentions his publishing of Pamela Hansford Johnson, but this is not covered in the body. I've added one potential source in further reading for adding material on this topic. Skyerise (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
I've added a bit about her now, but more would be better. I've also added several potential sources to further reading that give more details about Neuburg's relationships with Johnson and Thomas, including Johnson's review of Fuller's biography, and selected correspondence of Dylan Thomas that includes mention of Neuburg. Skyerise (talk) 06:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Vine Press
editThe Vine Press only published around 20 books. One of the sources has a list. Seems like this article would be the place to list them, though I'm not sure which source it was. I think perhaps it is in Kaczynski (2024). Skyerise (talk) 06:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Crowley's 1930 limerick
editI've removed this as it simply perpetuates Crowley's attacks on Neuburg, written 16 years after their relationship ended. I see no reason to perpetuate Crowley's continued anti-Semitism here, since it says more about Crowley than it does about Neuburg. And the amount of space dedicated to Crowley was already undue. However, I won't remove it again if after discussion there is a consensus to restore it. Skyerise (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)