Talk:Victorian Telecommunications Museum

Deletion proposal

I'm contesting the deletion of this page (speedy or otherwise)!

Firstly, this article was originally put in as a communications stub. It needs expanding. It will be expanded.

Also, A7 and Garrielrons asks that the article asserts the significance of it's topic. The housing of the original Australian speaking clock is very significant and it is mentioned in the article.

Yes some citations are needed - they will come as others build on it.

However remember the photographs are a primary source. Do not these count?

This article will be expanded over time - I've seen articles with far less info on them in Wikipedia so why pick on this one?

And as a new user being bold enough to put up my first article I feel bitten!

--Jim77742 05:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't rely on others to reference your work. By definition - nobody else can reference your original research, which is why you need to reference your own contributions.

Sorry if I have bitten you in the WP:BITE sense. It was not intended, and while I may not have gone to great lengths to spell out the process I was undertaking - it is the established process for dealing with original research and articles which don't establish notability.

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS points out the pitfalls of comparing one article to another. Worse articles exist, and given time, most of them will be either deleted - or improved - or stay exactly as they are. In patrolling Australia-related new articles, I came across this one - not any of the others you are referring to.

You haven't tagged it as a stub, and I cannot see what else needs to be said about a volunteer-run organisation that isn't generally open to the public. If it isn't generally open to the public then it is likely nobody has ever written about it, so anything that goes on an article here is original research - which isn't permitted.

Notability needs to be asserted for the article to remain. If notability is asserted then I will be a lot more tolerant of under-referencing of the details of the museum. BUT, if you claim it won Tourism Victoria's Volunteer Staffed Museum Award for 2005, that needs to be correctly referenced.

Photos provided are illustrative. Personally, I cannot confirm that they are what they are described as being. I cannot confirm that they use the original ring tones as used in the 1980s. To make that statement, you need to provide a reference to a reliable source. It doesn't have to be online - provide the pubilishing details of the journal / magazine / newspaper that is covering the museum, that will do fine. Others can change the format of any reference you provide, but they cannot (using the information you have provided to date) identify where you got your information from.

I am happy to collaborate on improving this article, if this is not original research then let me know the details of where you got the information and I will turn what you give me into proper references.Garrie 03:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Exhibit information

Does the museum comprise of two exhibits, an exchange and a speaking clock?

If that is the case, you might like to provide more information regarding the exchange such as the era it went into and departed service, and how extensively it was used throughout the world.Garrie 23:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)