Talk:Videotape

Pity

"The introduction of HDTV production necessitated a medium for storing high resolution video information. In 1997, Sony bumped its Betacam series up to HD with the HDCAM standard and its higher-end cousin HDCAM SR. Panasonic's competing format for cameras was based on DVCPRO and called DVCPRO HD. For VTR and archive use, Panasonic expanded the D5 specification to store compressed HD streams and called it D5 HD."

It's a geat pity that there are no analog video formats that are capable of,e.g. 1080p at 100fps, the nearest I've ever heard of are formats like Hi-Vision laserdisc and W-VHS for Japan's analog 1125 line standard (the highest resolution ever achieved on analog broadcast TV). I've also been wondering why so many movies are still filmed at the old-fashoned 24fps if most of their viewers watch them on DVD and Video, which typically operate at modern, higher framerates. On photographic film, I can see a good reason, I saves film. I have never understood why even digital movies still stick to this framerate, though or why electronic recording is more "traditional" in the audio domain than in the visual domain, if 1000+ line TV was technically possible even way back in the 1940s, why didn't some Analog High definition video standard replace cine-film long ago?203.26.37.35

Agreed, 24 fps makes sense as a legacy framerate but its limitations are obvious, particularly with motion.

@203.26.37.35: I was trying to clean up errors in this talk page, such as "DVD and Video," but I got scolded when I did that. If people are supposed to write properly in articles, it sucks that we're not allowed to help clean up others' errors in talk pages as well. Lame. Anyway, FYI, DVD IS video. And I'm not sure why you thought "Video" and "Analog High..." needed mid-sentence capital initials as if they were some kind of proper nouns.

I was even trying to clean up the semi-redundancy error of "photographic film" and "cine-film" (Why not just say "film"?) but again with the silly policy.... BTW, there is no such compound word as "framerate." And I tried replacing your "I saves film" with "it saves film (and thus saves money)," but again....

Anyway, that's just FFR for ya....

"Chipotle" is NOT pronounced "chi-POL-tay"! (talk) 06:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

More and more people shoot in 24fps, with its imperfect motion stutter, because its distinct look is a big part in movies` "magic" and appeal (together with flickering and film grain). Yes, audiences can be educated to enjoy cleaner pictures (and this might happen as digital projection settles in), but currently these are identified as not-filmic.

Furthermore, 35mm film at 24fps is an extremely widely-accepted standard for moving images distribution, starkly compared with the myriad video formats in use. Digital movies stick to this framerate because theatrical projection around the world operates in this format; shooting at 24fps makes life easy if a filmmaker's dream of theatrical distribution comes true, and converting 24fps to various video formats is a common, tried and true procedure. Going the other way around is a pain in the ass.

Analog HD video didn't replace cine-film because the means to get the pictures into video (acquisition) and out (projection) weren't nearly as good as film until very recently. Having an able format isn't enough, to make it common the industry needs viable workflows.

Binba 08:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget the old French 819-line system, which was near-HDTV, but B/W only. ProhibitOnions 16:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, film-look video-editing filters were invented for a specific purpose. But nowadays, a few years after your comments just above me were written, we're getting more movies that are not only shot on video, but in a higher frame rate than traditional video plays at (29.97 FPS, often rounded to 30), such as The Hobbit in 3D at 48 FPS (which I understood was supposed to help people watching the 3D version not feel "whoozy" or something like that, as the 2D version was still shown at 24 FPS). While that should have a noticeably different look than the long-used traditional film frame rate, I think audience members are warming up to it.

"Chipotle" is NOT pronounced "chi-POL-tay"! (talk) 13:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

First paragraph

This could use a rewrite. The first sentence implies that it's only for recording from television, when it can of course be used to record from other sources (such as video cameras), are a popular format for commerical pre-recording materal, and can contain other content such as films.

It also gets fairly technical immediately after the first sentence. Pimlottc 12:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

This page sucks

Isn't there a joke template that has that in there somewhere? Anyway, I'm going to take a hack at it, but organizationally it's a disaster, and it contains a fair amount of misinformation and poorly contextualized facts. Haikupoet 05:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

also the first few paragraphs need point of view work they make overly negative comments about DVD Cartoonborg 21:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

How does the fact that there is a Radiohead song titled 'Videotape' contribute to this page and/or qualify as an 'other use' of videotape???? 71.98.224.203Lamont Sanford71.98.224.203

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"Kids joyfully excited for Barbara Walters, Paul Simon, Mary Costa, Alison Bartlett, Lily Tomlin, Phil Donahue and Savion Glover: "Well thank you, thank you, Count! It was cold yesterday with grapes VHS"

Isn't that a bit long?

In fact, what is that entire section doing there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.100 (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

JVC ceased stand-alone VHS recorder productions

As I mentioned this before (click here), JVC already ceased producing stand-alone VHS recorders as of date. Google it, especially in Google News, and you'll find out yourself. --Gh87 (talk) 07:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Question about Quad

"Later machines had longer life and used delay lines to compensate for the differences in the four heads"

Does anyone know of this "delay lines" text refers to the infamous mercury delay lines that put Eckert-Mauchly computers and radar system MTIs with this technology at such a disadvantage? Since these machines first came out after core memory went into production, it seems very unlikely. Featherwinglove (talk) 09:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Unlikely. Delay lines that amounted to just a whole bunch of thin wire were once common in television circuits. Even pre-digital consumer color TV receivers had them (because the chroma path was several stages longer than the luma path, so the luma path had to have a delay line to avoid the luma and chroma being out of sync downstream). Jeh (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Future of Tape

Nothing in the "following factors may be considered" section makes much sense in the context of the article:

In the first bullet point, tape is compared with hard drive storage, the implication being that tape is superior in reliability. This implication is made using the point that hard drives are mechanical, and have specific factors which make them failure prone. The mechanical nature of tape, with accompanying failure modes, is not mentioned, nor is the use of solid state hard drives.

In the second point, hard drive connectors are discussed. The author states, "A hard drive from 10 to 20 years ago will not use the same connectors that are commonly available on computers today. Videotapes from the 1970s and 1980s will still play in their respective machines." To rephrase, a hard drive from a previous generation of computer will only work on this generation's hardware and software, and similarly, a videotape from the 1970s or 1980s will work in a machine of the same generation. This is a moot point.

Finally, in the last point, solid state SD storage is compared to DVD and Blu-Ray discs, with no mention of videotape. This point has no relevance in its current form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.136.176 (talk) 00:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Videotape as replacement for kinescopes

Videotape was invented for excellent quality TV shows better the bad kinescopes. --173.55.239.44 (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

This is covered at Quadruplex videotape. Should it be here as well? I'm not sure that this article should cover as many "videotape" subtopics as it does... let alone more... given that the other articles exist. Jeh (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Videotape vs. Video tape

We have Videotape for a Video tape recorder. I've opened a proposal for consistent terminology at Talk:Video tape recorder#Requested move 28 November 2020. Please leave your thoughts there if you have any. ~Kvng (talk) 02:39, 7 December 2020 (UTC)