Talk:Violet Hill

Written by all band's members

Hi, I would like to know whether the song is really written not only by Chris Martin but also by the rest of the band. I am working on the subject and was happy seeing this information in the introduction but going further on the reading I can't find other occurrences to that fact. Searching on the web, I don't find more about this. It's to be really sure that it has to figure in the article and that it's not a fantasy. Thank you for answering ! Erιne (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 February 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. Dohn Joe's evidence for PRIMARYTOPIC is convincing. Number 57 22:19, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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• Violet Hill (song) → Violet Hill
• Violet hills → Violet Hill (disambiguation)

– Clear primary topic.[1] And there's nothing called Violet hills. Unreal7 (talk) 15:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose firstly because the RM is malformed (clearly the Violet Hill dab should be moved back from hills to Hill before any discussion), secondly because as usual Unreal7 didn't spend the 2 seconds needed to enter the term in the search box and see that Violet Hill, Pennsylvania and Violet Hill, Arkansas were missing from the dab page, alongside examples like Violet Hill (Hong Kong), Violet Hill, Ontario. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, this again. First of all, no it is not a joke. Secondly, no I am not misinformed, I have all the evidence I need. Thirdly, there's nothing called Violet Hills (hence that part) and none of the other Violet Hills have a fraction of the information that this song does: some of them are even redirects. And finally, as I keep saying: existence and notability ARE NOT the same thing. Unreal7 (talk) 23:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The problem is Wikipedia is more than a pop blog. Obviously the volunteer base is more interested in writing a big article about a song named after the real Violet Hill, London garden/hospital area in St John's Wood than any of the 8 or 9 geographical Violet Hill. But enthusiasm of pop editors (wonderful as that is), doesn't equal an absolute majority of encyclopedic notability - nor make it more important than all the real Violet Hill places combined. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

And why didn't you search before submitting the RM? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Because none of the other topics have a patch of notability in comparison. You need to acknowledge for once that sometimes songs are actually notable. Unreal7 (talk) 01:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose moving the song, but support moving "Violet hills" to "Violet Hill". All the hills listed are "Violet Hill". © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 03:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Change to support, per Dohn joe. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per the above; despite what music editors believe (or wrestling editors, or porn editors, etc) Wikipedia is not AllMusic, there are other topics on Wikipedia besides music. Also the dab page is misplaced, it should be at Violet Hill and not violet hills -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 04:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
• Support. My goodness, this one is obvious. Look at this pageview comparison over the past 90 days:

• Violet Hill (song): 12,965
• Violet Hill, Arkansas: 172
• Violet Hill, Pennsylvania: 90
• Violet Hill, Ontario: 60
• Violet Hill (Hong Kong): 730
• Violet Hill, London: 0 (newly created redirect)

That is well over 90% for the song article. And none of the geographical articles are particularly strong on long-term significance. The song article, despite some editors' biases, is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by any standard. WP is not a pop blog or music-only site - but when a musical topic is primary, we should recognize that and help out our readers and editors. Dohn joe (talk) 15:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

See Google Books "Violet Hill is" In ictu oculi (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. In the past 25 years, there have been three references to the hill in Hong Kong, and a couple to some random vampire book series. None of these topics have much long-term significance, so we should give even more weight to the overwhelmingly lopsided usage criterion here. How does three books that mention the Hong Kong hill in passing overcome 90+% pageviews? Short answer - it doesn't. Dohn joe (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

• Support per Dohn Joe. Those numbers are clear and convincing proof the Coldplay song is the primary topic for the term. Calidum ¤ 04:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. May I remind people of the "long-term significance" requirement of primary topic. At the point where a transient song (which is a marketable product, hence the G'hits) is "more important" (aka primary topic) than a number of geological sites, WP is truly f***ed. And that is the opinion of an editor who has worked almost exclusively on song articles for the past 6 years - so I do actually think (in my world) songs are important. Move Violet hills to Violet Hill for the disambiguation page, as suggested above. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:53, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

  I made a long-term significance argument, literally just above the previous comment. None of these topics have long-term significance. In the past 30 years, there have been three passing mentions of the Hong Kong hill in reliable sources available on Google Books - that's it. On the other, hand, the song article is clearly much more sought-after than all the other articles combined, isn't it? Dohn joe (talk) 16:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• Support. By all evidence, this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in terms of both use and long-term significance.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:17, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
• Support; This is the primary topic.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  14:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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