Talk:Vogelsberg

Stub

This article should be marked as a stub because there is little information in it, compared with the German article. As a matter of fact, someone who knows German well could translate the German article and add the translation to this article. S Martin (talk) 07:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Done and stub tag removed. --Bermicourt (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved per rough consensus. The only opposer (LightandDark2000) did not really provide any policy-based reasons and then seemed to withdraw his/her opposition anyway — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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• Vogelsberg Mountains → Vogelsberg
• Vogelsberg → Vogelsberg (disambiguation)

– This major mountain range in Central Germany, Europe's largest volcanic basalt region covering 2,500 square kilometres, is clearly the primary topic. The only other link at the disambiguation page, currently called Vogelsberg, is village of 600 people and 12 square kilometres in Thuringia. Bermicourt (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose First move, support the second. Even if there is no article for the Vogelsberg village, there is no need to add to the confusion by generalizing the title of this (Vegelsberg Mountains) article. Besides, the main topic of the article is the volcanic mountain range, not the village. LightandDark2000 (talk) 07:40, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment I'm not sure I understand your objection to the first move. There is an article for the village of Vogelsberg but, as you say, the mountain range is the primary topic. There is no confusion in calling the range the "Vogelsberg"; that is what the majority of sources call it. Someone has simply added the word "Mountains" in order to provide a disambiguation which is not actually necessary. The move will not cause confusion, there are lots of examples of mountain ranges without the word "Mountains" after them e.g. the Alps, the Vosges, the Himalayas, the Pennines, the Cairngorms. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

The Vogelsberg Mountains article is primarily about the mountains with that name, not the village. That is the issue I have with the proposed move (#1). Even if it is commonly referred to as just "Vogelsberg," the article title needs to remain specific to differentiate it from the village of the same name. LightandDark2000 (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Why? There are many examples of primary topics that aren't disambiguated with a minor secondary topic. In these cases we follow WP:PTOPIC which says "...it is sometimes the case that one of these topics is the primary topic. This is the topic to which the term should lead..." --Bermicourt (talk) 19:21, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

In this case, then, I say that we should go by the WP:COMMONNAME. The article title should either be renamed, or kept, as whichever label most people use for the mountains. LightandDark2000 (talk) 05:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• Support, I guess. There's no question that the mountains are the primary topic. I'm taking the nominator's word for it that either 1) "Vogelsberg" is not talked enough in English to have an English-language common name different from the native name (and "Vogelsberg" is the native name, so use that), or 2) It is, but even so "Vogelsberg" is the more common term in English than "Vogelsberg Mountains". This jibes with my general memory about how I have heard/seen the mountains denoted. I haven't searched the data. Herostratus (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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