Talk:WNIR (FM)
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Tom Erickson
editWhy does everyone always pick on him? No one picks on the other guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.221 (talk) 18:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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ResolvedWNIR (FM) → WNIR — "WNIR" is the official callsign listed for this radio station with the FCC online datable. As such, "WNIR" should be the title of its article per WP:RADIONAMING. Blcklght8 (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ADDENDUM: Please note that I moved WNIR to WNIR (disambiguation) just prior to requesting this move. I apologize for any confusion, however that does not change the fact that this article should be titled "WNIR" per WP:RADIONAMING. A redirect-type template could be placed at the top of this article for those who reach this page in error. For example: "This article is about the radio station licensed to Kent, Ohio and serving the Akron area. For other uses of WNIR, see WNIR (disambiguation)."
- Performing both requested moves is impossible, as it would leave WNIR (FM) a redirect to itself. Powers T 00:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Correction as to avoid redirect onto itself. However it needs done, the title of this article should be "WNIR". Redirect templates can be used for any pages which may lead to this article, such as WNIR-LP. Blcklght8 (talk) 02:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- There's no way WNIR-LP should redirect here; they're totally different stations, aren't they? Powers T 02:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am not suggesting that WNIR-LP redirect here. What I am suggesting is that if someone types in "WNIR" on Wikipedia, then this should be the page which comes up (hence the move request). As it is right now, WNIR (FM) is the article, while WNIR redirects to it; shouldn't it be the other way around? Additionally, there is page WNIR (disambiguation). That page lists this article, WNIR-LP, and Wales National Ice Rink. If someone is looking for an alternate use of "WNIR", a redirect template (taken from the Disambiguation and redirect templates category, CAT:DRT) placed at the top of this article could read something like, "This article is about the radio station licensed to Kent, Ohio serving the Akron area. For other uses of WNIR, see WNIR (disambiguation)." Blcklght8 (talk) 05:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, the only reason that WNIR redirects here is because you made it so. Prior to that, it was a disambiguation page. It's disingenuous to suggest that "well as long as it redirects here anyway, it ought to be moved" without admitting that you're the one that made the redirect. Second of all, templates like {{about}} are not redirect templates; to call them such is confusing to the rest of us, as demonstrated by my confusion above. PowersT 13:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right, and I apologize for any confusion on your end or anyone else's. While I should have initiated this discussion/action a little differently, it doesn't change the fact that "WNIR" should be reserved for this article. As for the template, the type used for WENZ would suffice. Or something similar Blcklght8 (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, the only reason that WNIR redirects here is because you made it so. Prior to that, it was a disambiguation page. It's disingenuous to suggest that "well as long as it redirects here anyway, it ought to be moved" without admitting that you're the one that made the redirect. Second of all, templates like {{about}} are not redirect templates; to call them such is confusing to the rest of us, as demonstrated by my confusion above. PowersT 13:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am not suggesting that WNIR-LP redirect here. What I am suggesting is that if someone types in "WNIR" on Wikipedia, then this should be the page which comes up (hence the move request). As it is right now, WNIR (FM) is the article, while WNIR redirects to it; shouldn't it be the other way around? Additionally, there is page WNIR (disambiguation). That page lists this article, WNIR-LP, and Wales National Ice Rink. If someone is looking for an alternate use of "WNIR", a redirect template (taken from the Disambiguation and redirect templates category, CAT:DRT) placed at the top of this article could read something like, "This article is about the radio station licensed to Kent, Ohio serving the Akron area. For other uses of WNIR, see WNIR (disambiguation)." Blcklght8 (talk) 05:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- There's no way WNIR-LP should redirect here; they're totally different stations, aren't they? Powers T 02:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Correction as to avoid redirect onto itself. However it needs done, the title of this article should be "WNIR". Redirect templates can be used for any pages which may lead to this article, such as WNIR-LP. Blcklght8 (talk) 02:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Performing both requested moves is impossible, as it would leave WNIR (FM) a redirect to itself. Powers T 00:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Or WNIR (disambiguation) to WNIR? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's where it was until Blcklght8 moved it. Powers T 13:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I did move WNIR to WNIR (disambiguation) to free WNIR for this article. Those four letters ("WNIR") should be the official title of this radio station article per WP:RADIONAMING. As for WNIR-LP, "WNIR" is not that station's official callsign; a redirect template placed at the top of this article -- should it be renamed to "WNIR" -- could easily direct those looking for that station who reach this article in error. As for Wales National Ice Rink, "WNIR" only serves as an abbreviation; again, a simple redirect template placed at the top of this article -- should it be renamed to "WNIR" -- could easily direct those looking for that article who reach this article in error. Blcklght8 (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- As User:LtPowers notes above, I failed to indicate that just prior to this request, I moved WNIR to WNIR (disambiguation). I apologize for not including this before, however that does not change the fact that the letters "WNIR" should be the official title of this article per WP:RADIONAMING. "WNIR" is not the official title for radio station WNIR-LP. "WNIR" is not the official title for Wales National Ice Rink but rather an abbreviation. If this article were renamed "WNIR", and if someone reached this page in error (i.e., intending to reach WNIR-LP or Wales National Ice Rink), some kind of template could be placed at the top of this article redirecting that person. As User:LtPowers has also noted, I may have used the wrong term for the type of template I am thinking of. I am referring to the type of template seen at the top of page WENZ; either that redirect-type template or something similar. Blcklght8 (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- WNIR is the official call sign of the station per the FCC. It should be at WNIR. All other articles can be put in the disambig along with WNIR itself, but according to WP:RADIONAMING, it should get top billing. I suggest moving it to "WNIR". WNIR (FM) can be redirected to WNIR or deleted. --milonica (talk) 19:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- WP:RADIONAMING says "If more than one article has the same base call sign, or if an acronym or some other common usage shares that call sign - A disambiguation page should be created at the base call sign." What part of that guideline suggests that this article alone should get top billing? Powers T 20:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this article and the other one up for moving can't simply be at the base (in other words, just WNIR), and the link to the dab put in the page as it is now. Why does it need the (FM) addition to the name, when the call is WNIR by itself. Couldn't we just get rid of the (FM), and call it good? --milonica (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Clearly, WNIR of Kent, Ohio and WNIR-LP of Newberry, South Carolina do not have the same "base call sign." The only question is whether WNIR and WNIR-LP share a common usage, in this case, "WNIR". Clearly WNIR commonly uses its official callsign "WNIR" (see WNIR.com); WNIR-LP, however, apparently identifies itself with its official call sign "95.5 WNIR-LP Newberry College Radio" (as seen on WNIR-LP on RadioTime.com). Note that the station also has no website; in fact, the college's only reference to WNIR-LP is "a radio station". The only evidence I can find that the Newberry station uses "WNIR" is on Facebook: 95.5 WNIR-LP Newberry College Radio (while "WNIR" is used in the sidebar/info tab, the "-LP" suffix is in the page title. I think we should also keep in mind that WNIR of Kent-Akron is a commercial radio station and is currently the second highest rated station in the Akron, Ohio market. WNIR-LP Newberry is a college radio station; college radio stations often have a very low market share. Even if WNIR-LP did have a large share in its market, the city of Newberry (together with the entire student body of Newberry College) is less than 1/20th the size of Akron (roughly 4,000 Newberry vs. roughly 200,000 Akron). I think it is also very telling that the Wikipedia entry for WNIR-LP does not indentify the station as "WNIR". Blcklght8 (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand why this article and the other one up for moving can't simply be at the base (in other words, just WNIR), and the link to the dab put in the page as it is now. Why does it need the (FM) addition to the name, when the call is WNIR by itself. Couldn't we just get rid of the (FM), and call it good? --milonica (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- WP:RADIONAMING says "If more than one article has the same base call sign, or if an acronym or some other common usage shares that call sign - A disambiguation page should be created at the base call sign." What part of that guideline suggests that this article alone should get top billing? Powers T 20:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's where it was until Blcklght8 moved it. Powers T 13:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- According to MOS: since there is a like-callsigned station, that being WNIR-LP, WNIR must be WNIR (FM). Move everything back. Doesn't matter what is calls itself on air, it's given callsign by the FCC is all that matters. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- If given callsign is all that matters (which I have been arguing for), then this article about the Kent, Ohio licensed radio station should be titled "WNIR" without "(FM)". Blcklght8 (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have redirected WNIR to WNIR (disambiguation) per MOS. That should settle any and all problems with that and leave everything else be. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please cite MOS part you refer to (as we have above). Also, are you (User:Neutralhomer) an administrator? If not, then I don't think you have the authority to make changes here; this Page Move Request would still under discussion. Blcklght8 (talk) 22:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The subject of WNIR (FM) uses the callsign "WNIR" and identifies itself as such. The subject of WNIR-LP uses callsign "WNIR-LP" and identifies itself as such (as best as we can tell -- see above). Per WP:RADIONAMING, this article's title should be "WNIR" (see further rationale throughout discussion). Blcklght8 (talk) 22:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, I am not an admin, but I am a WP:WPRS member, so I read up on the MOS of how radio stations must be named. Also see, WP:RADIONAMING. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:31, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not in the Wikiproject, but I think I'll join now. Also, we have already been discussing WP:RADIONAMING (as far as I can tell, that is the only thing available on the subject). The way I read it, there is no need for "(FM)". Please read appropriate parts above. Blcklght8 (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- It is necessary cause there is a like callsigned station. Example: When WXXX-LP exsists, WXXX becomes WXXX (FM) for easier identification and less confusion. Same goes for AM/FM stations. Like WINC for example. The callsigns are WINC-FM and WINC (AM). Notice there is no -AM callsign. We mark it as WINC (AM). This is the way things are done for less confusion and part of the MOS. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not in the Wikiproject, but I think I'll join now. Also, we have already been discussing WP:RADIONAMING (as far as I can tell, that is the only thing available on the subject). The way I read it, there is no need for "(FM)". Please read appropriate parts above. Blcklght8 (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, I am not an admin, but I am a WP:WPRS member, so I read up on the MOS of how radio stations must be named. Also see, WP:RADIONAMING. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:31, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The subject of WNIR (FM) uses the callsign "WNIR" and identifies itself as such. The subject of WNIR-LP uses callsign "WNIR-LP" and identifies itself as such (as best as we can tell -- see above). Per WP:RADIONAMING, this article's title should be "WNIR" (see further rationale throughout discussion). Blcklght8 (talk) 22:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please cite MOS part you refer to (as we have above). Also, are you (User:Neutralhomer) an administrator? If not, then I don't think you have the authority to make changes here; this Page Move Request would still under discussion. Blcklght8 (talk) 22:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- WP:RADIONAMING is quite clear on the subject. "If more than one article has the same base call sign, or if an acronym or some other common usage shares that call sign: a disambiguation page should be created at the base call sign." It's simple, consistently applied across hundreds of station articles and a change of the sort contemplated here would be a massive disruption to radio station naming standards. It would destabilize naming for AM/FM combos and radio/TV duopolies plus set off endless debates over which broadcaster is the "primary" instead of the quiet, settled policy we have now. - Dravecky (talk) 03:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, I've moved the disambiguation page back to its proper location per WP:RADIONAMING, corrected the formatting of said disambiguation page, and undone the botched formatting resulting from the original move. - Dravecky (talk) 03:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- With Dravecky's changes, I am marking this as resolved. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, I've moved the disambiguation page back to its proper location per WP:RADIONAMING, corrected the formatting of said disambiguation page, and undone the botched formatting resulting from the original move. - Dravecky (talk) 03:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- NOTE: The nominator, User:Blcklght8, is a a sock puppet of Sudafedfiend8 and has been blocked indefinitely. - Dravecky (talk) 06:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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