Talk:Soft Kitty

Polish Song origin?

The music to "Soft Kitty" sounds very much like a German children's song titled "Alles Neu Macht Der Mai". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.24.157.70 (talk) 15:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't see in the citation where it is a "Polish Song." The citation only says it was English song adapted from somewhere. Consider deleting this line unless you could actually cite this. - hewhocaves 11/7/11.

Fair enough...I've deleted it. I've seen it discussed on two other places as Polish Traditional, but nothing I can reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.111.45 (talk) 08:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Some time in the past two (or maybe more) I've had a discussion somewhere on Wikipedia somebody about this song. I remember that they pointed me to a Youtube link, where there was an old video with some images that were definitely Polish as the background to a song that sounded like Soft Kitty. According to my Polish wife, the words were the Soft Kitty song, or very close to it. I can't for the life of me find it though. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

This is the song that you mean I think. First youtube result for this search term. I also remember the tune from a children's recorder music book from the 90's. --Lead holder (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

More recently, a couple of sources suggest the tune is borrowed from a Polish folk tune. Screen Rant asserts "the song's tune came from a 19th century Polish lullaby called 'Wlazł kotek na płotek' about a kitten on a fence, written by Oskar Kolberg and composed by Stanisław Moniuszko." Also, Poland's government-sponsored culture and language portal states the "traditional music and lyrics for it were first taken down by the eminent ethnographer and folklorist Oskar Kolberg in his 1857 book Pieśni Ludu Polskiego (Songs of the Polish Folk)." This entry goes on: "If you’ll listen closely you’ll find that the melodies of Warm Kitty and Kitten Climbed a Fence, although different, do share similarities." However, I'd guess most people would find the tunes practically identical. Should the connection be mentioned in the main article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.223.83 (talk) 12:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Now a legal case with CBS Big Bang Theory

The daughters of a teacher who wrote a poem about a "soft kitty" are suing CBS, the network behind The Big Bang Theory, for copyright violation. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35194737 70.26.8.111 (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

They may have a strong case - the only change made by the "writer" credited on the tv show is the simple reversal of "warm" and "soft" etc. making clear that he did not write the song to which he took credit, and the OOP copies of the original songbook appear to back the copyright claim. Not even as good a defense as presented in the Rum and Coca-Cola case. Collect (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

How many words is the original song? From the excerpt of the show linked in the news, it seems to be two verses. The reproducibility may have bearing on the copyrightability.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.179.171 (talk) 09:00, 5 January 2016‎ (UTC)

Requested move 23 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: MOVED as proposed. A kind reminder that we do not require anyone's participation in the discussion to close an RM. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 14:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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Warm Kitty → Soft Kitty – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The song is most notable for it's appearance on TBBT, where it is exclusively called Soft Kitty. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

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Tuna Fish Song Origin Theory

If you go listen to [1]. It sounds suspiciously like "Soft Kitty". 129.162.14.28 (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)O Don

Not really similar. For this to be actually considered in the article a musicologist or someone with music training who is recognized as an expert would have to make the claim in a way that we could link to it. As it stands, the reader would have to follow the link to the YouTube video you have added here (and to the article), listen to it, find a version of "Soft Kitty" and make a judgment call. This is, in Wikipedia terms, original research. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Seconded. For this to be added, a better source would be needed. You can't rely on a reader to listen and interpret a song as your source. You need the source itself to directly state that the two are similar. Sergecross73 msg me 03:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

In the previous section you have stated that a reader cannot interpret information for themselves. That is nonsensical. You are brainwashed and not in a good way. If I put up a web page and state that you are a fool, then I reference that source on Wikipedia... it must be true. But to allow a reader to "listen and interpret a song", and "MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL" is not acceptable.

In the previous section, sergeCross73 and Walter Görlitz are not the Nazi's of a new age, just idiots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1101:1540:458C:D5D3:C55F:3EB7 (talk) 04:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Wow. That digressed quickly. Yes, readers can interpret information for themselves, but doing so violates WP:OR and so it's not permitted on Wikipedia, but it is on social media. I see you're familiar with social media. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I missed the "put up a web page" comment, no, your web page would not be a reliable source. See WP:V. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I am not a Nazi of any sort, let alone a Nazi something like...Soft...Kitty... (can't believe I have to say explain such a thing.) Anyways, WP:USERG/WP:SPS/WP:RS prevents the use of anyone gaming the system with creating ones own sources like that, and the fact that some kid decided to create a contextless 10 second YouTube video that says I'm the worst says a lot more about him than it does me. Sergecross73 msg me 11:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the reader can do anything they wish. The no original research applies to the editor of Wikipedia. They cannot decide something sounds the same, and put it into Wikipedia, even as a suggestion. A reliable source needs to decide, and publish, the suggestion first. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)