Talk:Weeds (TV series)/Archive 1

Archive 1

filming location

does anyone know where the show is filmed? i think its in san diego somewhere, perhaps near poway or rancho bernardo...

According to IMDB, it's filmed in Los Angeles and Santa Clarita. --Patrick T. Wynne 21:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

websites

Why is the official program website only available in the USA? Especially silly now that the series is broadcast in the UK! Yet we johnny foreigners cannot access the US site.

This has been standard Showtime operating procedure for a long, long time. International "StarGate SG1" fans have had to put up with it for... how long has that show been on? It's not specific to Weeds. AFAIK, this doesn't happen with other premium cable networks in the U.S. (ie. HBO works fine anywhere!)

You can circumvent this by searching for the title/episode in google, and then viewing google's "cache" link.

Sky has a section of Weeds of its own. Although Im sure it is not as detailed as "Sho"'s.

http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgeprogramme.aspx?pid=62

I believe Showtime finally released the lock it had placed on its websites for access from outside United States. I have been able to access Huff, The L word, and Weeds websites without any trouble. Zavreio 20:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally ive never had this problem because for some reason it detects the location of the aol server i'm logged into rather than my computer in the uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bensrob (talk • contribs) 07:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I used to have this problem from Canada, I would have to search the pages of the site with google and read their cached versions of the page. I was just on the weeds site 20 minutes ago and it loaded, so it seems like the problem is fixed. Alexjamesbaker (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Alejandro, the Penny Dealer

Does anyone know who plays Alejandro, the penny-loving pot dealer that Nancy had a brief sexual encounter with in "The Punishment Light?" I have looked everywhere and cannot find the actor that plays Alejandro.

Vincent Laresca. Daydream believer2 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed move

Suggest move to Weeds? --FlareNUKE 05:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Survey

• Support Move, as there is no disambiguation page and the current article, Weeds, now redirects to Weeds (TV series). Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television) - JustOneJake 06:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• support per JustOneJake.Oppose per Gpollock's scrubs example. --Quiddity·(talk) 06:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC) (change to oppose 25 August)
• support Tsaetre 23:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the Weeds redirect to go back to Weed (disambiguation), as that page also covers three uses of "Weeds" as a title. I'm not sure this deserves primary position. Shimgray | talk | 11:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose: per Shimgray. Weed/weeds can refer to so many things, and (to be brutally honest), I'm just not that sure that the TV series is popular enough to warrant being the first page that comes from searching for 'weeds'. (For a very similar case, see Scrubs, which, instead of redirecting to Scrubs (TV series), redirects to the dab page for scrub). I would also sugges that this is not the best place to get have an unbiased debate about the isuee, because people involved in the Wikipedia article on Weeds are more likely to want to promote the Weeds page. --Gpollock 23:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Good point on the bias, it should be moved. Still, scrubs is very different in my opinion. There is no other popular article spelled Weeds, whereas scrubs has scrubs (clothing). The clothing term scrubs is always plural. Weed, the drug, is almost always singular; it would be highly irregular for someone to refer to marijuana as weeds (WP:NC – Prefer Single Nouns). Also if you search google for weeds, 4 links are for the show and 6 are for noxious plants. As for the show, it was nominated and won several awards. I think the show is relatively popular, but I don't think it really matters too much. There are only two articles that really matter here: weed (drug) and Weeds (tv show). They are spelled and capitalized differently. They can each have their own page and link to the dab page. JustOneJake 01:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support: Per nom. People typing in "Weeds" are most likely looking for the series just like people typing in Sopranos are most likely looking for The Sopranos (note, the former redirects to the latter). —Wknight94 (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - it seems likely to me that a large proportion of people typing either "weed" or "weeds" are looking for weed as in an unwanted plant. On top of that we should be looking to avoid systemic bias, by not assuming that a TV show seen by a minority of people in a few Western countries is a more important usage than the original use of the term, which is known by practically every English speaker. I should also point out, contrary to some comments here, that "Weeds" and "weeds" are treated exactly the same by the Wikipedia software, both for searching or linking, so the fact the the article title is capitalised is neither here nor there. — sjorford++ 11:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment That is completely untrue. As noted above, by Wknight94, look at soprano and Sopranos. The entry soprano (lowercase-singular) directs to the singer. Sopranos (uppercase-plural) redirects to the television show. Not to mention, everything else you mentioned applies to those articles as well.—Preceding unsigned comment added by JustOneJake (talk • contribs)
    • Comment comment: First letter capitalisation doesn't matter when searching for a single word. Seaching for thermodynamics and Thermodynamics will return the same results. It's in fact impossible on Wikipedia to have an article that starts with a lower case letter (see the article with the bizarre title IPod for an example). So, if someone has weeds in their garden, they may type "weeds" into the search bar, and be very confused at the relatively obscure American cable television show to which they are directed. --Gpollock 04:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment: Weeds (TV show) is not obscure. It has been well received by viewers and described as acclaimed in the media (Washington Times). It is an Emmy and Golden Globe nominated show on a popular premium service channel, Showtime. It has an estimated $3,000,000 budget (IMDB). Obscure television would be Window on Main Street (IMDB). Moreover, search for weeds on Google; result #1 is the official Showtime page for the show, #2: IMDB entry for the show, #3: TV.com entry for the show, and finally #4: a page about noxious plants. Also note #5 is the Wikipedia entry for the TV show. The Wikipedia disambiguation page for weeds is #28. I didn’t see the Wikipedia entry for Weeds (noxious plant) in the top 100 results. Not that Google is authoritative, but I think that gives us an idea of which is more popular and likely to be what a searcher is looking for. Plus I interpret the standing policy (WP:NP(P) - Minor Spelling Variations) to read that each of these entries should have their own page as the appropriate entry for the noxious plant is at weed, and not weeds. It should be just like The Sopranos. Also note weeds already redirects here. This move is to put the actual article at weeds, instead of a redirect to the article. JustOneJake 00:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose, weeds should point to weed. I hardly think the TV series wins over the common usage of "weed". 132.205.44.134 03:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support, typing in Weeds in several search engines and reference websites shows up the TV series as the first result. Here are provided the Yahoo!, AltaVista, Ask.com, Excite, and even the Amazon search results. Of all I tried, only the Lycos result showed Lawn Weeds as their first feedback in the sponsored results, but right below in the Web results, the tv series was the first website. Zavreio 13:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose - I for one vote to maintain the status quo. Somnabot 00:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Weeds should be the article name, and Weed referring to the plant. -AEMoreira042281 04:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Should this be proposed under Wikipedia:Requested moves under the possibly controversial moves? I plan on requesting it if there is a consensus. -AEMoreira042281 04:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

• Comment Well, if they search for weed they are probably looking for drugs, or possibly the city of 3,000, but unlikely. On the other hand if they search for Weeds I think they are looking for the TV show. They'd have to accidentally, or inappropriately, capitalize the W and pluralize the word. Even in that case, they made the mistake -- they can click the disambiguation link under the title. It is possible they are looking for the movie or novel by the same name, but we don't even have articles on them; so I can't believe they are more popular. Not sure on the policy here, but if appropriate all those clickable non-article entries on the disambiguation page should logically not be clickable. WP:NP(P) - Minor Spelling Variations (ex. WASP vs Wasp). JustOneJake 00:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• FYI, I just now put this request into WP:RM so it will be a while before it's closed. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• I'm re-listing this for lack of consensus. --Dijxtra 11:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
  • There still isn't a lack of consensus but another 5 days has passed. So. Time to close this one as no consensus. --Woohookitty^(meow) 11:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Agrestic Anagram - Cigarets

• This is not original research, as defined by Wikipedia. "Original research is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to material placed in articles by Wikipedia users that has not been previously published by a reliable source" (OR#Definition). This trivia, if you will, has been published in many newspapers. Ref: Toronto Sun - TV goes to pot with 'Weeds', Philadelphia Inquirer - 'WEEDS' RIFFS ON LIFE IN BURBS, etc.
• Cigarets is an aceeptable variant of cigarettes (Merriam-Webster OnLine, American Heritage, Oxford English).
• This information is clearly relevant as it has appeared in numerous print and online newspaper articles specifically about this show. Also, the show is about marijuana, and could be alluding to marijuana cigarets. Of course this is not in the articles and could be considered original research, but still something to think about. The fact itself is now nonetheless correct, sourced, and relevant.

JustOneJake 04:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Sources solve everything :) Sorry about that. --Quiddity 06:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Well, I just took it out, without reading this little discussion. Sorry. Seriously, though - "Cigarets" - I shudder to think people are using this spelling in common practice. I'll add it back in if people really want the reference in there, but c'mon. Cigarets is a Scrabble word at best. At least in the US. --Dwiki 05:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Jenji Kohan commented on it in one of the interviews and said it was completely unintentional anyway. -Anþony 08:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Dark comedy

Is it just me or does dark comedy seem like a rather harsh label for something like pot, a soft drug at most? I had not heard of Dark Comedy before but reading the page on it, (death, mass murder,rape, you get the picture) it seemed a bit harsh for a show built on pot jokes.

I think there is no genre for this film yet. Maybe it's the first Stoner TV Series.24.154.173.50 01:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you watched all of season 2? It's pretty dark. Tvoz 02:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

From Dark comedy:

"Black comedy, also known as black humour is a sub-genre of comedy and satire where topics and events that are usually treated seriously — death, mass murder, suicide, sickness, madness, fear, drug abuse, rape, war, terrorism etc. — are treated in a humorous or satirical manner."

Marijuana, soft drug or not, is still a drug, and drugs are usually treated "seriously." A piece of art doesn't have to be depressing or even "dark" in mood to be called "dark comedy." Funkeboy 13:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Funkeboy I did not wach the serie yet, but I love Black Comedy shows, and it dosn't need to be depressing or dark, but moust of them are, but there is no rule for that. 201.80.113.20 (talk) 15:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The show is dark if you pay attention. There's drug dealing/drug dealing (including harder drugs than marijuana, just not with Nancy), murder (more than once), drive-by shootings, gangs (and gang rivalries). And the main character is a suburban mom. That's pretty dark, but the show's comedic because it shows how corrupted everyone is. While the lower-class people are doing the things I just said, it's clear that all of the upper-class city council people are just as corrupted... While Celia may not indulge in illegal drugs, she clearly has an alcohol problem, etc. The show is very much satirical with the most likable characters being the 'bad-guys', and the "law-abiding" upperclass citizens being un-likable and appearing more criminal.24.96.200.232 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Curious: Map from the intro

Does anyone know if the satellite photo from the intro is based on a real location or is it completely CGI? I've been playing around with Google Maps looking at Stevenson Ranch and I've been able to identify a few of the landmarks from the show, but not that one. Remember the "Agrestic" fountain from the credits? Here's the real fountain on Google Maps. It's to the left of the intersection. Here's another picture of it from a little closer. -Anþony 10:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Here it is --Redconfetti 16:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Google Map of Calabasas, California neighborhood seen in opening credits

Broadcasters

Yeah... Channel 9 in Australia doesn't broadcast this show as far as I can tell. Like it isn't listed on their wikipedia shows list type page... And I'm living in australia and can't recall seeing it. Ever. (wish they would broadcast it anyway. I like this show)

Plus channel 9 isn't really the type of channel to broadcast something as... err.. different as this. That would be Ten.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong but i'm *pretty* sure (and wikipedia pages agreed here so i'm -heaps- sorry if i'm not right) that they just aren't doing this.

I checked on the websites of Nine Network and Network Ten, and neither of them mention Weeds, so I've removed it. Good catch! --Gpollock 23:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Network Nine have bought the rights to show Weeds in Australia. They will begin broadcasting it later this year (supposedly). There are (or were) articles on SMH.com.au and news.com.au. When I find them again i'll link them here and re-add. --Sole 13:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

http://blogs.smh.com.au/entertainment/archives/2006/03/index.html

Even though that wasn't the article I was reading when I added it the first time, it's good enough. I will re-add it. --Sole 13:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The blog you cite hardly seems to be solid proof. It only said Channel 9 "foreshadowed earlier in the year" (that is, sometime before March) picking up Weeds, along with several other shows. Invasion and E-Ring have already been cancelled in their original run and I can't find any information that they ever aired in Australia. They did pick up Rome, but cancelled it after two episodes. If it was ever going to happen, it would have happened already. I'm removing it for good, unless there's a new announcement. -Anþony 22:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well you will now find that Channel 9 are infact advertising this show. So I assume that's pretty solid proof right there. It's going back on and it's going to stay there. Sole 14:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean they're advertising the show on air? I don't live in Australia, so I have no way to know, but I've been checking Nine's website and others and I see nothing about Weeds. If they really are picking it up, then that's great. -Anþony 22:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean none of you people removing my edits actually live in Australia? Sole 08:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for anyone else, but no, I don't live in Australia. I'm not looking to remove your edits in particular. I removed the reference to Channel 9 because it was unsubstantiated; it had nothing to do with who put it there. I may not be Australian, but I am very interested keeping unverified rumor and speculation off of Wikipedia, whether or not it relates to me personally. You can confirm that Channel 9 is advertising Weeds on-air, then? -Anþony 00:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This show is on RTP2 in Portugal. Mondays at 22h40, prime time in Portugal, public cultural channel. It's on second season already ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.26.184.157 (talk) 02:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Any controversy?

With a series with a premise like this, you would expect it to be very controversial, banned, criticized, etc. If it hasn't been, I think this is worthy of note (with applicable sources, of course). And if it has attracted some fire, this too should be noted with sources. 23skidoo 07:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as i can tell, the series has received nothing but rave reviews. Somnabot 23:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There's some, but it's so minor that you have to really dig for the websites being hosted by the Laura Mallory types behind it. I've seen controversial websites have their criticism taken more seriously than Weeds does, and it's kind of the same thing- it happens, lots of people hear about it, but it never goes anywhere because it's the kind of stuff that has no weight unless it's something that adds up to more than coincidence- and was a problem in the first place, such as (for an example) a popular news site printing misquotes or assumptions about a person or group so severe they border/commit libel. In small doses, they can easily lie that it was "bad information", but if it happens regularly...Plusher 19:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How's this for controversy - the show is for middle-aged white women who want more excitement in their own lives and to worry about everything their kids do. --70.226.232.148 20:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Amazing. I grew up in the Nancy Reagan era, which was when I did the majority of my pot smoking. A show like this was unimaginable then. Seeing as how the cultural right has only gotten more organized since then, it's hard to believe this show doesn't make more waves.

But american society as a whole is much more liberal. Even if that isnt represented in government. The conservative political groups (which almost all of them are now highly political)don't really bother with tv shows anymore, unless they are broadcast. This is Showtime remember. TrevorLSciAct (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

This should be incorporated into the article or deleted. See WP:TRIV. John Reaves 05:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The discussion at WP:TRIV and Wikipedia:Trivia seems mostly opposed to the name Trivia, because it suggests that the content contained therein is unimportant. In fact, option #1 in Wikipedia:Trivia#Practical steps suggestion is simply to rename the section to a title asserting more encyclopedic importance, such as "Miscellanea". If you have problems with specific items on this list, you should remove them individually. –  Anþony  talk  18:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Marijuana

This term is an Americanism but is not slang.

e.g. mentions in the United States Code, the official codification of US federal law: [1]

mentions in academic journals: [2]

Bwithh 05:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The above is completely correct - "marijuana" is the correct term in America, not slang, and this is an American tv show so it should follow American usage. Tvoz | talk 06:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Marijuana is a slang term deriving from the Spanish version of the name "Mary Jane". The only proper name for the plant and the drug is Cannabis. --Krsont 14:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No, not in America. You may be correct about the derivation of the term, but in America "marijuana" is the preferred term. As stated before, this is an American tv show, and the article follows American spelling and word usage as is Wikipedia custom, so that applies to the word "marijuana" as well. We have other slang words for marijuana - including of course, "weed", hence the show's title - but "marijuana" is our official term. So please don't change it to "cannabis". Tvoz | talk 08:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd beg to differ: consider "pot". Somnabot 01:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you're differing from: I said we have other slang terms. In American usage, "pot" is slang, like "weed" and other terms - "marijuana" is not. Look at what Bwithh referenced above in this section. Tvoz | talk 03:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

To Do

For editors which feel like working on this article and it's friends. I don't have the time myself right now, but some tips:

• Add Character bios in the main article (and not plot summaries per character please. name actor and other real world information. WP:WAF)
• Some of the episode articles have plot summaries that are much too large. condense them into actual SUMMARIES
• All weeds related pages contain large Trivia sections. It would be better if these could be construed back into the article instead of being bulleted lists. Write prose instead. See WP:TV and it's taskforces to find Featured article examples for TV articles.
• Weeds episode pages need much more real world context.
• Weeds episode pages, when talking about characternames, link to actor biographies. Link to a relevant character biography section on the main Weeds article.
• Try to add more sources.

--TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

music

what is the title songs name nad band ?

the song is called "Little Boxes" by Malvina Reynolds...

It is "Little Boxes," but in Season Two, the song was performed by different singers each week. MJFiorello 03:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, but Malvina Reynolds wrote the song. Tvoz |talk 06:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Strike-through text

trying to figure out the name of one of the songs played over the closing credits. Some of the lyrics are `this song is for the children` and another verse starts off `this song is for the seeds blah blah blah blah blah where nothing of consequence can grow` is somebody could point me towards this song i`d really appreciate it. I think it might be a good idea to put a section up of all of these outro songs. The soundtrack doesn`t cover it all. Alexjamesbaker (talk) 00:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Figured it out, it's called cotton. Easily the best song, as far as lyrics go, in the series to this point —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjamesbaker (talk • contribs) 08:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Season Length

does anyone have an explanation as to why the seasons only go for 12 or so episodes?

• It's a cable series. They don't have to run 22 episodes. In the UK most TV seasons run between 6 and 13 episodes. it's only in America where the belief is that all TV seasons must be 22 episodes long. (40 years ago TV seasons ran 30 episodes so shorter seasons are nothing new). Cable also has a tendency to choose quality over quantity, which is why cable shows of late - this one, the Sopranos, Rome, etc. - seem to be getting most of the accolades. 68.146.47.196 17:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

This is a very interesting section that either needs to be merged or cleaned up a bit so that it isn't as confusing. --Mnemnoch 06:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

although comical, i removed "The number of letters in Andy are the same as City (4). Weed, the singular of Weeds (the shows title), also has four letters; in fact the name Roman is used as a nickname for Romany; Roman has five letters; the same amount of letters as Weeds (5). The caterer on set at the 40 Year Old Virgin was 45 years old. 4, 5, 0. 5 - 3 (the number of numbers I just wrote) = 2. 420." because it obviously has no place in an encyclopedic reference. 66.131.26.142 01:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Rene Auberjonois

Does he really appear in the show? I don't recall seeing him, and it's not listed on his IMDB. matt91486 22:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

He's Judah Botwin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.115.110.102 (talk) 04:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

No, he is not. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439100/fullcredits#cast. Dean Morgan played Judah in flashbacks. --Simply Agrestic (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not Rene. It's his son, Remy, who plays Mr. Albin in 7 episodes of Seasons 1 and 2. 76.112.225.23 (talk) 05:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Season 3

I added Season 3 as far as I've seen it, but I could only add it as each character's seperate plot. I just could not make a working intergrated summary. Feel free to fix it, I couldn't remember a lot of names and I think it should be intergrated. Plusher 02:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen Season 3 yet, but in the second paragraph it says "but the two begin having an affair after U-Turn is killed by Marvin" and then there is a lot about U-Turn doing this and that. So I'm assuming U-Turn isn't killed, but that needs to be clarified, but I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not fixing it. Alisar (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

When does it air? FAIL

Wanted to find the day of the week and time. This article failed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.232.210.85 (talk) 13:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, what Country are you in? What time of year are you referring to the Wikipedia article? The article doesn't fail, YOU FAIL. Idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.142.131 (talk) 12:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Botwin Page is up!

I made a page for her, but something made the B in her name lower case, so it won't do an internal link until I figure out how to fix it- see it here, and what I would like to add in is on the discussion page. I got what picture I want, but I donno how to put tags on it...

If anyone can fix the B and help with the rest, I'll be grateful- here's the link...Plusher 22:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)