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Kent or Bexley or London, or all three?

Deanb1994, I am not sure why you have deleted the sentence about Welling being in the historic county of Kent. I can see how the sentence in isolation might appear confusing to someone without any knowledge of UK local government, but isn't that an ideal opportunity for you or any editor to improve the article by adding more information? That is the main point of Wikipedia isn't it? It isn't clear if you realise that Welling is and always has been in Kent. The local government changes of the last 150 or so years have merely altered the local government authority, not the historic county. I can see that you have made an edit about the earlier Bexley Municipal Borough so you are doubtless knowlegable about this topic which makes your wiping of the whole sentence even more puzzling. Why not simply add to it or elaborate? The fact that Welling is in Kent (as well as in Bexley and in Greater London), and that faact is not 'history' as you put it, means it has a significant bearing on the town and people today. Why not try to improve the article from that perspective? I do agree though that the muddled use of the term 'county' within various local government reforms has not helped make matters any easier.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Roger 8 Roger, 'The fact is' that Welling is not in Kent, it is in Greater London within the London Borough of Bexley, and has been since 1965. If you're in any doubt of this please consult the Counties of England page, or more specifically the Greater London and Kent pages, these include present day maps that will answer your question. I have indeed added more information to the article, in the history section, as you noted. Deanb1994 (talk) 15:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Deanb1994. I have never disputed that Welling is not in Greater London because it obviously is. That is not the issue though. You have replaced a sentence with a relevant link (Welling being in historic Kent) and replaced it with a sentence claiming Welling was transferred from Kent to Greater London in 1965, and you have done this without any citation of reference point to justify the change. Other WP pages cannot be used as references. I am quoting here from the very Act that created Greater London. Section 2 declares that "the area comprising the areas of the London boroughs, the City and the Temples shall constitute an administrative area to be known as Greater London". All that happened was that local governance switched from the Municipal Borough of Bexley to the London Borough of Bexley and the Greater London Council. No mention of changing the boundaries of Kent. It was all done for practical administrative purposes. I don't know of any law that says a town cannot be part of a county unless its local government is operated b the County Council. If that were true then Chatham, for example, is no longer in Kent. Please, if you are going to make blunt changes like this check the details first and in particular back up your edits with reliable source material otherwise it will just get reversed or removed. If you are so adamant that Welling is not in the historic county of Kent then please supply the evidence or accept what others have accepted for over 1,000 years. I do agree that this is not a clear cut topic, but that only provides ample opportunity for well researched editing. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 00:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Of course the boundaries of Kent changed as a result of this act, along with the boundary changes to Hertfordshire, Essex, Surrey, and (most drastically) Middlesex. Section 3 states "no part of Greater London shall form part of any government administrative county, county district or parish", and there are multiple parts of the act that make it clear that relevant areas 'cease to be part of' their respective counties on 1st April 1965, if you are trying to argue that Welling (and presumably the rest of the borough) is some special place that can be in both Greater London and Kent, then that is simply not true. I never said that Welling was not in the historic county of Kent, I simply moved this to the History section of the article and provided more information. This information could be included in the lead if necessary, but I can't warrant its inclusion as before, without a proper explanation of the current situation. Deanb1994 (talk) 19:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Deanb1994, where in the section you have quoted does it say that this NW part of the county of Kent ceased to exist in 1965 or that the county boundaries had changed? I suggest reading the Act fully and focus on the word ‘administrative’. The act was all about creating a more streamlined system for the local government of the growing Greater London area, and not about abolishing or rearranging long established counties. Please remember that you must verify your edits of substance like this with proper references and not just assume that your opinion is correct.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

We clearly have different ideas of what the default counties are, when discussing 'Kent' I am referring to the ceremonial county of Kent which is considered the default today, and when discussing the historic county I refer to it explicitly as such. I don't believe you can use the two interchangeably without causing confusion and saying that Welling is in Kent and Greater London is an example of this, similarly you wouldn't say that Westminster were in Middlesex and Greater London, or that Didcot were in Oxfordshire and Berkshire etc. I have clarified that the statement refers to the ceremonial county and referenced the act. Deanb1994 (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Deanb1994 for your quick reply. Regrettably I will need some time to formulate a slightly more detailed response but as a quick note, I have intentionally avoided the subject of the ceremonial county because I have been thinking about what happened in 1965, not 1997 when ceremonial counties came into being. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Woops my mistake, I meant administrative county back in 1965! Deanb1994 (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I am posting on here like you asked. Is it okay to update all London district pages to be a similar style to this? Justgravy (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Notable residents

Over the next couple of weeks I'm going to try to rationalise the lists of notable residents of Bexley towns. Each one currently has a long and unsourced lists of people who might have gone to school there, may anecdotally have been seen in the area, may be from a neighbouring town etc. (see Sidcup for example). Also, many people were born in, say, Bexleyheath but grew up in, say, Welling. Meanwhile the article List of people from Bexley is woefully underpopulated. So I'm going to try to migrate most of the lists to there as a central list (with fully explanation of their local connection and history etc), add them to the articles about their secondary schools if the sources back that up, and only leave people on the list in articles about the specific towns if the source clearly states that they lived in that place. (see current list at Bexleyheath for an example). This should make the info more reliable, easier to check, and easier to understand. Any comments, objections, suggestions? Jdcooper (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my writing

Violation User6263 (talk) 22:39, 30 October 2022 (UTC)