This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Business, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of business articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BusinessWikipedia:WikiProject BusinessTemplate:WikiProject BusinessWikiProject Business articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Association football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FootballWikipedia:WikiProject FootballTemplate:WikiProject Footballfootball articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Scotland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Scotland and Scotland-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ScotlandWikipedia:WikiProject ScotlandTemplate:WikiProject ScotlandScotland articles
Latest comment: 10 months ago6 comments5 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This needs clarification. The article calls him both Baron and Lord. There is a mention of him receiving the title Baron for a city in 2013, but a business article about him published in 2018 (currently footnote #43) calls him Lord which appears to cover all of Scotland. The Lord title is either more current (like a job promotion) or takes precedence over his other titles. Other folks would know more about this than me. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
My understanding (per Lord#Peers and children of peers) is that Lord is a catch-all title for various more specific titles, most common of which is Baron. So both Lord Haughey and Baron Haughey are correct, and they refer to the same title. For slightly obscure reasons, Wikipedia tends to prefer Baron in these titles even though in common usage Lord is generally much more common. — Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
As a baron, he would be referred to as Lord Haughey as short hand (or The Right Honourable The Lord Haughey as fancy shorthand), but when its in the form of "[First name] [last name] [comma] [title]", it has to be William Haughey, Baron Haughey. The current article title is incorrect (as is Amakuru's conclusion above). The current article title suggests a rank of either a judicial lordly title (see the members of the Supreme Court) or a Scottish Lord of Parliament: he is neither, he is a baron, which is different. Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support. His title is definitely Baron Haughey. "Lord" is just a generic form of address for all male peers. We use the former form on Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
.svg){kind=small}
