Talk:Winters

Requested move 25 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Rough but clear consensus. Andrewa (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Winters (disambiguation) → Winters – I find it unlikely that everyone typing "Winters" wants "winter" given the fact that it's a surname and a place name in addition to being a plural form of the season. Every topic listed on this DAB page (Winters, California, Winters, Texas, and Winters (name)) has nothing to do with winter. Those are all viewed much more than Winters, and Winters (disambiguation) is currently viewed slightly more than Winters as well, so having the disambiguation page up front is the most optimal choice. See also Talk:Walls. MelanieLamont (talk) 00:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Looking at the history this was boldly moved from the DAB page back in February, so it should be undone with a request to move Winters -> Winters (disambiguation) filed. For the record I agree that the DAB page should be main anyway and I guess it doesn't matter now that this is here. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support per nomination and Nohomersryan. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 07:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support per nom. If you type "winters" you don't want Winter, but if you do then the DAB page will direct you there swiftly. --MrStoofer (talk) 11:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. What you're proposing is that there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Winters", so that "Winters" should be the name of the dab page. What I see is that there is a primary topic. Going by pageviews, Winters, California is the primary topic among the three articles. (This is clearer if you change the "chart type" to a pie chart. The start date of the range is the date that Winters was moved to Winters (name).) If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you can see the numbers. (I would do a comparison of the use of Winters, but the Redirect Views tool has a bug that won't let me set the date properly. Gah. But from what I could gather, it doesn't get nearly as many uses as the town in California.)
  • There are eight or nine articles that link to Winters; every one of them is the plural form of "winter". If the redirect gets retargeted, we'll have to fix those links first.
  • 1 article and 3 dab/name pages link to Winters (name).
  • 25–35 articles link to the Texas town.
  • Roughly about 175 articles link to the California town.

So I think Winters should be retargeted to Winters, California, and Winters (disambiguation) should stay where it is. — Gorthian (talk) 04:34, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Your analysis omits the most important meaning of "Winters", namely the plural of Winter. Once you factor that in, then there is no primary topic (or if there is, it is as the plural of Winter).--MrStoofer (talk) 10:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

MrStoofer, I couldn't do an analysis of the redirect Winters because of a bug in the software. That's been taken care of now, and the redirect analysis shows that the plural got 1,287 views over the same period, or about 4 views per day. Compare that to 62/day for Winters, California, 23/day for Winters, Texas, and 4/day for Winters (name), and the California town is easily the primary topic.

• Support, page traffic is low for all the targets and likelihood for mistaken links is high. older ≠ wiser 12:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support; an obscure California town is hardly primarytopic. Dicklyon (talk) 02:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Dicklyon, what evidence would you want? — Gorthian (talk) 02:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
    • Since person names, e.g. Shelly Winters, completely dominate the city, it's better to say no primarytopic. Dicklyon (talk) 03:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
      • Dicklyon, most people looking for a particular person are going to search on the full name—"Shelley Winters"—not on the surname only. Articles on individuals with the surname aren't in the running for the "Winters" primary topic, just the page Winters (name), which gets only 4 views/day. — Gorthian (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
        • And I certain wouldn't propose them to be primary topic. But they are part of what the disambig page is about; the little city in California is a tiny part of what is being disambiguated. Dicklyon (talk) 09:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Naturally the primary topic for winters is its singular. In any case, it's most certainly not an obscure town of 7,000 people! Why would anyone think that? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Plural "Winters" is, in encyclopedic use, mostly a place name/surname, so a disambiguation page is the best option. I also believe there is no chance Winters, California is the primary topic. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 17:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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Another example of the problem with page views

I have added this RM to User:Andrewa/The Problem With Page Views#Examples. Andrewa (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)