Talk:Wudu

Use of soap or other disinfectants

What are the rules about using soap during wudu? The web seems to say it is either unneccessary or that washing with soap does not count towards wudu, but can be done before and/or after. What about antibacterial cleansers? Washing the body with soap is substantially more effective at removing bacteria and viruses, although rinsing with clean water alone does have an effect.

Also, information on the history of wudu would be interesting. Did wudu protect pre-modern Muslims against contagious diseases? In the modern world, is there any evidence that people aren't using soap, when it would be beneficial? I realize that wudu is intended to be a spiritual ablution or cleansing, but having to wash five times a day must have some kind of health effect.

I don't know much at all about the subject, so I don't want to add material myself. Roches (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Three types of wuḍū?

The article seems to mention that "...the detailed acts of the wuḍūʾ can be classed into 3 types:"

...but then it goes to list only two, or at least that what it looks like to my novice eyes. Can anyone help?

Article Picture

Salam. I think the article's head picture should be changed. Surely we will find a picture of someone performing ablution somewhere online. Let someone change it, please. (I would have done it if I knew how to.) Waliyullah Tunde (talk) 14:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Restoration of an old version of the article

@Nasserb786 first of all, use the article's talk page next time. Secondly, why are you restoring the old version of the article? Abo Yemen✉ 13:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

@Abo Yemen please Stop removing content from the wudu page especially reference to the scholars translation and links. As long as you do not remove this part then feel free to make as many changes as you like.

According to Sunni Muslims, the Qur'anic mandate for wuḍūʾ comes in the sixth ayat of sura 5. The ayat has been translated by Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Rashad Khalifa, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Pickthal and Maulana Muhammad Ali as follows. Note that this translation refers to washing the feet.

O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete His favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

— Al-Ma'ida, Sura 5, Ayah 6[6] Washing the face once. Washing both the arms including the elbows once. Performing masah of one-fourth of the head. Washing both the feet once up to and including the ankles. It's not sufficient for one to pass wet hand over the feet or shoes. Under certain conditions masah can be done over leather socks known as khuffs.[7] Narrated by Abd-Allah ibn Amr: "...we were just passing wet hands over our feet (not washing them thoroughly) so he addressed us in a loud voice saying twice or thrice, 'Save your heels from the fire.'."[8] Narrated by 'Ubaid Ibn Juraij: "...and he used to perform ablution while wearing the shoes (i.e. wash his feet and then put on the shoes)."[9] Narrated by Yahya Al-Mazini: " 'Can you show me how Allah's Apostle used to perform ablution?' ...and washed his feet (up to the ankles)."[10] Narrated by 'Amr: "...and then he washed his feet up to the ankles."[11] Narrated by Humran: "...and washed his feet up to the ankles..."[12] Narrated by 'Amr bin Yahya: "...and washed his feet up to the ankles..."[13] Narrated by 'Abdullah bin Zaid: "...and washed his feet (up to the ankles)."[14] Nasserb786 (talk) 13:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

these are references, not text that should be part of the main article. Plus most of them are redundant and really.. useless since there are other sources already. Ill try to include them if it's needed tho dont worry Abo Yemen✉ 13:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen The article needs to distinguish between the translation of wiping and washing the feet which has been translated by famous scholars noted with links Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Rashad Khalifa, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Pickthal and Maulana Muhammad Ali. Please add this back. Nasserb786 (talk) 13:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

just change the word washing to wiping without adding like 5 additional sources Abo Yemen✉ 13:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen The article needs to have references to the scholars and the difference in the translation under the correct sections. The links to the hadith should be somewhere in the article as reference. Nasserb786 (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

it is not Abo Yemen✉ 14:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen please elaborate on your comment "it is not". I do not understand this comment. Nasserb786 (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I dont see how including all the views of the 5 scholars is needed. Only one is enough Abo Yemen✉ 14:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen thank you for elaborating. The reason you we should include the 5 scholars and add more names of scholars is to show transparency and the reference to reliable publications support the content that Wikipedia contains so readers can verify the facts at source.

Abo Yemen Will you add this content back? Nasserb786 (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

can you send me the links to the sources? Abo Yemen✉ 15:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen here is the text with links. Please let me know when you have updated.

According to Sunni Muslims, the Qur'anic mandate for wuḍūʾ comes in the sixth ayat of sura 5. The ayat has been translated by Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Rashad Khalifa, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Pickthal and Maulana Muhammad Ali as follows. Note that this translation refers to washing the feet.

O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete His favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

— Al-Ma'ida, Sura 5, Ayah 6

• Washing the face once.
• Washing both the arms including the elbows once.
• Performing masah of one-fourth of the head.
• Washing both the feet once up to and including the ankles. It's not sufficient for one to pass wet hand over the feet or shoes. Under certain conditions masah can be done over leather socks known as khuffs.

1. Narrated by Abd-Allah ibn Amr: "...we were just passing wet hands over our feet (not washing them thoroughly) so he addressed us in a loud voice saying twice or thrice, 'Save your heels from the fire.'."
2. Narrated by 'Ubaid Ibn Juraij: "...and he used to perform ablution while wearing the shoes (i.e. wash his feet and then put on the shoes)."
3. Narrated by Yahya Al-Mazini: " 'Can you show me how Allah's Apostle used to perform ablution?' ...and washed his feet (up to the ankles)."
4. Narrated by 'Amr: "...and then he washed his feet up to the ankles."
5. Narrated by Humran: "...and washed his feet up to the ankles..."
6. Narrated by 'Amr bin Yahya: "...and washed his feet up to the ankles..."
7. Narrated by 'Abdullah bin Zaid: "...and washed his feet (up to the ankles)."

Nasserb786 (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I dont see why should we include all these names... they provide nothing of use to learning about wudu. And the list of hadiths can be used as references instead of text in the main article Abo Yemen✉ 15:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen as i stated before "The reason you we should include the 5 scholars and add more names of scholars is to show transparency and the reference to reliable publications support the content that Wikipedia contains so readers can verify the facts at source."

Readers want content.

I am happy to go to appropriate dispute resolution. Nasserb786 (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

what "transparency"? if readers want to know who the author (or in this case the translator) is, then they should go read the sources. Not read 5 names before getting to the main point. Abo Yemen✉ 16:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen this content was added February 2, 2016‎ and you removed it June 25, 2024‎. There are approximately 500 edits since 2016.

Sources content information should be added to the article otherwise readers will not know where to look. Nasserb786 (talk) 17:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

adding useless info before 8 years doesn't make it credible. this article survived on wikipedia for 10 years but that doesn't make it real. Abo Yemen✉ 17:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen take note Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Wudu Nasserb786 (talk) 11:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Abo Yemen Can you elaborate on what content is "useless"?

To include the content for the scholars is for readers to research their background and origins as links are provided to their respective wiki pages. This adds support to the translation of washing the feet.

To include the content of the snippets of the sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad further collaborates the translation of washing the feet and adds support to the content. As links are provided to the source readers can then further verify the facts. Nasserb786 (talk) 11:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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