Talk:Wymington

Overhaul

Starting an overhaul. Rather obscure village, but there is quite a bit of information out there on it. nf utvol (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Best of luck! On an alt, but dropping in to mention that I'm very nearby, so if you need any assistance (photos etc.), I'm probably able to help :D HetFrzzl (talk) 19:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC) (alt of User:Frzzl)

Any photos or other info you might be able to find would be very helpful! Some images of the grade listed buildings, the school, the village sign at the intersection of High Street and Rushden Road, the churchyard war memorial, the Miss Liberty Belle memorial, the village hall, or the pub could be good. I no longer live nearby, so obtaining any local information that's not digitized is challenging. If you're feeling up for an adventure, the libraries in Bedford or Rushden might hold some information or documents that aren't discoverable by other means! nf utvol (talk) 02:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

GAN

Just nominated the page for GAN. I feel like I've completely exhausted the available resources for content, and that it is reasonably complete coverage for such a small, rather unassuming rural village. Thanks in advance to the reviewer! nf utvol (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Wymington/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Nfutvol (talk · contribs) 18:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Marshelec (talk · contribs) 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nfutvol. I am willing to review this nomination. Do you expect to be available to respond to review suggestions over the next week or so ? If that's not convenient, just let me know. :) Marshelec (talk) 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nfutvol:. I acknowledge the huge amount of work that you have put into improving this article in the two years since August 2022 when it was a stub with just 178 words of readable prose. It is now a substantial article of 2,453 words of readable prose, and is well-presented. My feedback on the GA nomination is mostly about minor matters such as wikilinks and improvements to presentation of citations. Many of the points I have raised are not critical for meeting the GA standard, but are suggested improvements intended to make this article as good as it can be in the timeframe available to us during the GA review process.

You have been waiting a long time for someone to review this GA nomination, and I am happy to wait for you to be ready to respond. If you are unavailable in the immediate future, I will put the review on hold, but will aim to respond promptly when you are available._Marshelec (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Detailed review comments

The lead This sentence The village is home to a 14th century parish church, a Wesleyan chapel, a school, and a pub states that there is a pub. However, the pub is not currently mentioned in the body of the article, so this needs to be addressed, with a citation Wymington is home to numerous listed buildings, including the Grade 1 listed parish church.. The search shows only four listed buildings, so I suggest substituting "numerous" with "four" The second instance of parish church in the lead does not need to be wikilinked Add wikilink for paleolithic Infobox The citation 1 for population links to the Wymington Parish Profile (October 2013) and the census data year in that source is stated as being 2011. However, the Infobox label currently says 2021. I note that further down in the article in the Demography section is citation 24, and this source is based on the 2021 census data.[1] Name Add wikilink for Old English Following the representation of the Old English word in sources I suggest tūn, rather than tun For citation [2], as an aide for readers, I suggest adding a link into the citation to the copy of the dictionary that is available at the Internet Archive.[2] Please review the presentation of citation [4]. The source is an "article" within a much larger work: Bibliotheca topographica Britannica. I suggest using Template:Cite encyclopedia Prehistory and Roman settlement Add wikilink for Neolithic Amend Bronze-age to Bronze Age and add wikilink Add wikilink for Flint Add wikilink for cropmarks Add Template:Convert for 700m Change the wikilink for quern, so that it goes to Quern-stone Middle Ages Add wikilink for Domesday Book In this section, does barony relate to English feudal barony ?. If so, it would be useful to wikilink to that page. Citation reference 4 could probably be removed, because it doesn't directly support the preceding sentence, and there is already one good citation. The Wymington manors Wikilink the first instance of "manor" to Manorialism For citation 11, William Page should be attributed as Editor, rather than author the sentence By the 1350s, John Curteys had taken possession of one of the manor from the de Noers family. could be improved. Ideally, it should link immediately from the preceding paragraph discussing just one of the two manors. That would eliminate the need for the phrase "one of the manor" - but if this is retained it needs an "s". recommend re-phrasing of The church remains as the only remaining medieval building in the village, .. to avoid two uses of "remain". In the same sentence, change "and a noted example.." to "and is a noted example.." Add wikilink for Comptroller The sentence On Henry's death in January of 1468 lacking a male heir the manor and all of his other holdings in Bedfordshire and Buckingham was sold off by the executors of his estate.... could benefit from a comma or rephrasing to make it easier to read. Renaissance and modern era citation 15 (Livesay's regiment of foot) now goes to a domain for sale notice, but I did find that there is an archived version here that can be used to rescue the source: [3] with archive date 23 February 2023 the phrase ...and fielded teams at least through 1931 would be clearer and perhaps more consistent with British English if rephrased as "..and fielded teams through until at least 1931" citations 16 and 17 require addition of url-access=subscription, plus via=Newspapers.com neither of the archives of these paywalled sources has actually captured the content. I am not sure what to do with unsuccessful archives (probably best to remove the archive links), but both citations require the addition of url-access=subscription (even though I was able to access Newspapers.com via the Wikipedia library portal and find the source, this is still a subscription) citation 22 currently goes to a dead site, but an archived version is available here to rescue the source: [4] with archive date: 24 February 2024 I recommend adding a url-status=dead so that the link in the citation goes to the archived version Geography and natural environment Is there any source that broadly describes the landform ?. Is the village largely built on flat land ?. What is the elevation ? Citation 14 mentions that the village is in a hollow. The discussion about the Wymington Deviation implies that there is a significant change in elevation in the vicinity of the village. Not really, beyond the rather generic description of the hollow...I updated it to include that info, though. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) The photo gallery in Wikimedia Commons shows some images of bridleways. Is there any source that discusses walking tracks in the vicinity of the village ? None that I've seen beyond OS maps. There are certainly a number of footpaths and bridleways, but it's fairly typical of a rural village in my experience, and I've not seen much talking about it. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) My preference for wikilinking of words that occur in the lead is to also wikilink their first occurrence in the body, as per MOS:REPEATLINK. Based on this, I suggest wikilinking Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire and Rushden on the first occurrence in this section. I think that the convert template for area should be set so as to put the area in km² (or possibly ha) first, since standard measure of land area in the UK is based on the SI system. [5] - 0.3020 km². However, I am open to persuasion, because it appears that the UK still uses miles as the common unit for describing distance. Looking at this again, I suggest using hectares, based on 1 km2= 100 ha. The area would then be 302 ha (750 acres) This is far easier to read. In a related point, The village has an area of ... may perhaps cause confusion. I think the source describes the area of the civil parish. Is that right ? The term "village" could be interpreted as just the area of the settlement, but the civil parish appears much larger. Would it be better to say "The parish has an area of ..." ? I'm fairly certain in this case it's referencing the built up area of the village. The parish is definitely larger than .3km2. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) the statement and the village is considered part of the Rushden urban area and shares its post code. needs a citation Couldn't find anything stating that, so it's been removed. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) the sentence While the village is surrounded by farms, the land was never considered suitable for market gardening as is common in the rest of northern Bedfordshire. needs a citation (the existing citation does not describe usage of land). It looks like citation 14 would be suitable, because it mentions the soil type and unsuitability for market gardening. Not sure what you mean here? It is already pointing to Citation 14. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) it wasn't immediately obvious to me how to navigate to the Countryside Stewardship Scheme land around Wymington using the MAGIC map linked from citation 26. Perhaps a short guidance note could be added into the citation about the layers/ parameters to be selected at the Magic Map site (because there are so many options it is a bit confusing) ? Alternatively, is there any other source that deals with this topic that would be easier for readers to access ? Added a note here on how to navigate the portal.nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) Demography the sentence As of 2011, Wymington had the second lowest number of residents without a degree-level qualification needs rework, because the cited source [1] says that it has the second lowest proportion of residents over 16 who have degree-level qualifications Government It would be useful to the reader to re-introduce the term civil parish and wikilink it The council maintains a small chapel utilized as a meeting hall, a village hall, and cemetery. The source 29 unfortunately has a broken link for Village Hall on this page: [6]. Is there any other source describing the village hall ? Also, I suggest a rework of the sentence because it could be read that the small chapel is utilised as a cemetery. Education the phrase The school does not have a sixth form, .. is confusing and I recommend this is deleted. Given that the school is a Primary School and only has children from age 3 to 11, then it seems obvious that it would not have students aged 16-18 (6th form). I am mystified about the inclusion of this row in the table of information on the Get Information about Schools website when it seems entirely irrelevant to the school in question. The statement about Special classes/special education could possibly also be removed because it is beginning to get off-topic. It seems of minimal importance to the Wymington article as a whole. My preference for the text in this section is to set it out in historical sequence, but this is not a crucial item for the GA review. the Ofsted citation 36 needs filling out, including adding the date - 1 December 2021 Economy and industry add wikilink for Industrial Revolution suggest adding a wikilink for cottage, to Putting-out_system#Cottage_industry citation 34 requires an added parameter: url-access=subscription and the archive has been unsuccessful (probably best to delete the archive) Grade I listed buildings add wikilink for the Parish Church of St. Lawrence wikilink Gothic to Gothic architecture add wikilink for Chancel the citation 43 does not currently go directly to the source (in English). It would be better for the reader to use this url: [7] Citations - general I recommend running the IABot [8] to ensure all online sources have archive-urls in the citation, as a protection against source website changes Please review the publisher parameter in all citations to the Heritage Gateway site. At present, they show the website as Heritage Gateway, and the publisher as Historic Environment Record for Bedfordshire. Guidance at Template:Cite web says: The publisher is the company, organization or other legal entity that publishes the work being cited. Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work. In this case the legal entity publishing the website appears to be Historic England [9] In citation 1, the Bedford Borough Council should be presented as the publisher, not the website For the same reason, in citations 40, 41, 44, 45, and 46, Historic England should probably be presented as the publisher, not the website. Order of sections The template Template:Article templates/City gives a suggested order of sections for articles about settlements, although most articles about settlements depart from this in various ways. It would still be useful to review the order of sections in this article with reference to the template, to see if any re-ordering would be helpful for the reader. As examples, the template places Demographics further up the article, and sections on Infrastructure and Education are towards the end. I still think the order of sections is worth reviewing. For instance, my perception is that the Landmarks section is more important to the subject of the article than either Education or Infrastructure and transport, and warrants promotion up the article.

Summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Good evening! Apologies for the delay in addressing your feedback. I'll start working on making the recommended changes this weekend. nf utvol (talk) 23:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I think I got everything. There was one note about source 31 not supporting the mention of the chapel, but it's actually source 30 that supports that. Let me know what you think, than you for the thorough review! nf utvol (talk) 00:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Nfutvol Thanks, I have added strikethroughs for completed/resolved items, plus some additional comments. Only a few points left. Happy to discuss any of these :)_ Marshelec (talk) 21:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, and so sorry for the rather crazy delays! For some reason one of the networks I often edit from has gotten caught up in a IP-range ban, so I've not been able to do quite as much as I'd like. I *think* I got most of these items sorted, please let me know if I missed anything! Thanks again for your review. nf utvol (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Nfutvol Thank you for all your hard work on this article, and for responding to my points of feedback. The article is in good shape.Marshelec (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.