Talk:X-COM: Apocalypse

"Only released in the US"

This is not accurate. I have no reference other than my personal recollection, but I purchased this game in the UK on release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:3D90:910F:44A:95EF:41EA:34F2 (talk) 03:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

"Godzilla-like alien creatures"

Regarding these unimplemented aliens, is that right? Aren't there those giant yellow alien things that warp in already in the game? ---- DarthInsinuate

Looks like that line's been edited out anyway. A verifiable source for the unimplemented features would be good though. ---- DarthInsinuate 11:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah.Overspawn.How do you guys catch that thing alive?Or even research?I finished the game without it.--85.102.76.69 19:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I managed to get one to spawn, basically be letting the cult of sirius alone. They were doing well at screwing with Megapol for me and were neutral. It appears, from my experience, that the cultists summon them. However, having an Overspawn turn up in your city is Not Much Fun At All, and the city was basically FUBARed. You can kill them, but don't expect it to be easy (my tip: ten hoverbikes with uprated engines). Given that in any game where you've let the cult alone from day dot, the only way to salvage the game is pretty much to go back to a really, really early save game, and wipe out the cult as best as possible. I didn't manage to catch one alive, which is a shame. I can't recall being able to research it either. Probably another unfinished thing. Rolinator 07:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Summoned by cultists?This game isn't a Fantasy Rpg,AFAIK the only way to get Overspawn is t wait for a Alien Battleship to drop the Yellow Godzilla to let it loose.And yes,the city gets FUBARED,a mate showed me,tore an appliances factory in HALF with a swing of arm(Holy #£@!).Best not let any ships drop one.I Attacked with my buddy's Valkyries on his computer,and the Overspawn took (I counted) at least 20 30 Lineage Plasma blasts before blowing up(blowing up.Exploding monster,Mad Dox would love this.)

Still,as you say,you can't catch him.But I have its file through savegame editor.

It is heartbreaking that such a majestic game to go unfinished.

Overspawn are dropped by Alien Motherships and Battleships, but only when things become extremely dire for the Aliens - usually due to your score skyrocketing from shooting down and capturing crashed UFOs. They are a lot of pain to deal with, and most "pros" just recommend ignoring Overspawn. Why? Because as they smash their way through a city, buildings they destroy will fall on them, and eventually kill them. This saves you a lot of trouble as there is no chance for your ships to miss any shots (and end up destroying even more of the city) and will probably not lose you any points in the long run. It is not possible to capture a live Overspawn (although UFOpedia entries for a live Overspawn and many other research topics exist) although they can be researched after you kill one, as presumably the dead body is automatically recovered. As suggested, it's best to just take out the Motherships and Battleships before this thing can be dropped - a squad of Annihilators should put an end to any marauding Motherships or Battleships quite easily. --82.16.98.169 01:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup in progress

I've started tidying up this article. No guarantee I'll get round to finishing it. I've removed some incorrect information too (for example, that Mega-Primus is the only human habitation on Earth, which is incorrect based on official game literature), but paragraph structure and a few other things need sorted. Mouse Nightshirt 23:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

After a bit more fiddling, I think this article is acceptable enough to have the tag removed. Mouse Nightshirt 00:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Um.Really?Wait wait wait.Is there a single phrase about another city on Earth?There is a Spaceport,and it only travels to Mars and beyond.AFAIR there WERE human cities,but they died out due to pollution.--Turkish Legacy 21:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I just re-read the manual, I think you mis-read the backstory, Mouse. It mentions there were cities when it refers back to the other X-COM games. ---- DarthInsinuate 09:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The official timeline that comes with X-Com Interceptor states differently, that other projects are being worked on, and Mega-Primus is the prototype. Mouse Nightshirt 12:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, well, the Apocalypse manual doesn't explicitly state there are no other cities, so I guess you're right. ---- DarthInsinuate 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

The Best Game Ever

I am not given much to trolling,i am not a blazing adolescent either,but the flexibility,many stats,combat,politics and depth of the game can't be just found anywhere.I plead anyone to show me a game as this.--Turkish Legacy 21:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

"Best Game Ever" doesn't quite nail it. I'd say "Best reason for mankind to exist", or "Why the universe was created" are much more suitable phrases that capture the majesty of this, this... there is no word for what this is. It is that awe-inspiring and unique. You can't play a game like this and just walk away from it without feeling like you've touched something that goes beyond anything you've ever experienced before, and that it similarly has touched you. The wildly varied aspects of this game mesh together like the teeth of precision-made gears. A stray grenade in a mission might alter the course of human history, not just give you a -100 to some obsolete gaming concept like "score". Apocalypse is both a symbol of how great games are hindered by real-world constraints, and how they can dazzle, impress, and entertain in spite of them. If Apocalypse were a chick I would ask it to marry me. And if it were a dude, I'd move to Canada.

What utter nonsense. Got a source for that? I've got a source that says its predecessor was the best game ever. I liked apocolypse, but it lost the feeling of the original. i kan reed

The previous one didn't have hoverbikes, Metropolis-inspired androids or the Cult of Sirius and their silly hats. It would be a photo finish at any rate. Chris Cunningham 15:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Turn based vs Simultaneous

I found the simultaneous gameplay system was actually really good, and much better than turn-based except where the big missile launchers were concerned in some situations (tight quarters) where you'd get pwned. Those jumping mines...absolutely wonderful. Teleport in, arm, drop, repeat ten times, and then teleport out. Then unpause, and watch the enemy splatter in an instant.

As for the learning AI, it was partly implemented, in that you could see the behaviour of the AI go through a few iterations in a logical progression from frontal assault, to flanking attacks, to hiding, and when teleporters arrived, the same progression and then, ultimately, surpise rear assaults. When you became effective against these strategies (ie; you kept winning) the AI seemed to click over to the next. It wasn't really learning, just cycling through pre-set pathing routines to give the illusion. Or so I believe.

The same goes for the political simulator. You could, as mentioned, manipulate the situation and manage essential neutrality. But the price of that, I think, with respect to the Cult of Sirius, is the eventual summoning of an Overspawn, which is a cityfscker. So, while you could do it, if you didn't get to the alien dimension fast enough to avoid an overspawn sodomising the city and ruining your carefully balanced neutrality (ie; the government will hate you and forms alliances against you) you could pretty much get wiped anyway.

Rolinator 07:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree.Once the Government and Megapol gets pissed off by that thing,they chew him apart alive.I expected more of a monstrosity.And yes,raid the Cult till it has over 50K dollars in deficit.This makes sure that they are incapable until they get a few more dollars.--Turkish Legacy 21:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Original Research

It's important for things like what is unimplemented, that secondary sources be well cited. I know some of the statements made are actually true, but some things sound like theories proposed on some forum somewhere, and need to be verified as not original research. i kan reed 07:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Request to add myself to credits

Hi

I was one of the producers on X-Com Apocalypse.

Attached is a photo from the game manual - please can i request my credit be added to the credits section along with James Hawkins, myself, Steve Goss and Grant Dean.

Thanks Stuwhyte (talk) 15:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

AI Learning Is Broken

Attn: Wikibenboy94.

The "not implemented well" part of 'self learning AI module' was a nice way of saying that it is utterly broken. It does not work! It is not a NPOV issue...

More extensive information about the game is available at UFOpaedia as linked in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.37.111 (talk) 08:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)