Talk:XML database

Shouldn't native XML databases and XML enabled databases have their own articles?

semi-structured data

Can semi-structured data have more info too, and maybe a separate article??????

• I think talking about XML Databases dealing with both semi-structured or (document oriented) as well as very structured data (data oriented) should be included. In fact I think the whole article possibly needs to go through a complete make-over. Most of the current article was written when "the concept" of an XML Database was in its infancy (e.g. references to shredding, NXD for Native XML Databases and so on). But someone needs to take the time to do this of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F331491 (talk • contribs) 09:02, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Are XML database DBMS?

I was wondering whether or not we could view XML database as DBMS? --194.221.74.7 14:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The following article should be cited

This page refers contents of the following article (almost a cut/paste). Shouldn't this URL at least be cited? http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/10/31/nativexmldb.html

Request: does anyone know if anyone actually uses these?

It would be nice to know the adoption history of this idea.--Joanna Bryson 12:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

XML not ideal for databases?

I read this article in Dutch In short, it stated that XML is not suited for databases because you have to read /write the entire file when accessing and changing data and it misses some key features for indexing/searching editing etc. http://www.lizatec.com/LIZATEC/XMLHYPEOFZEGEN/XMLALSDATABSE

maybe users should be given a warning that these DTBs can cause problem when they become large.

This is not a particularly true comment. Different database technologies have different pros and cons. XML takes up more space and requires more whole file handling but has embedded semantic meaning and keywords within it which can massively speed up processing if you are doing a lot of indexing and "keyword" searching. The statement that XML is "not suited" for databases is a common thing that classical database people say!:-) As storage, disk space, and CPU speeds go up and become more efficient XML becomes more and more useful. Alex Jackl 15:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're basically agreeing that XML is inefficient, if you say you need more storage, disk space, and CPU speed for it to be useful. 201.212.44.26 (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, that is a very true comment. Don't get me wrong, I hate relational databases, but XML databases are slow as hell. Even if you do use some kind of navigation system to "skim" the data (and I'd like to see an efficient one), you still end up reading/writing a lot more than you really need to be. But object databases beat both of them. :) -- FatalError 01:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Not all XML databases are slow. See, for example, http://markmail.org which runs on top of MarkLogic Server —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricBloch (talk • contribs) 21:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Native NXD (definition)

It is true that XML documents do not necessarily have to be stored in a text file. However, I don't want the definition to suggest that they have to be stored as text, so I will try to clarify it. Adrianwn (talk) 09:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Implementations: NPOV

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I will change the entry to a more neutral form. If you disagree, please post your reasons on this talk page before reverting my edit. Thank you. Adrianwn (talk) 18:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Messed up table

The table 'Databases known to support XQuery, XQJ, or the XML:DB API (XAPI)' was missing the closing sign and thus messed up the whole article. I fixed the table but the information for 'DomSafeXML' is missing. That entry should be completed or otherwise be removed from the table. cheers --78.43.237.104 (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Recommendations

I propose to make the following edits here.

• Remove acronym: NXD, it's not used anywhere today but here as far as I know.
• Split older stuff into a historical section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricBloch (talk • contribs) 03:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Columns in the "Databases" table

I have added a column 'Query Language' in this table and filled it with the information I could gather from vendors of the concerned products.

NB: This was undone by some unidentified users 83.67.91.66 and 170.148.215.156 without justification.

My feeling is that this table should be revised: I agree that it is not meant to be a comprehensive feature matrix, but there is no reason to fixate on XQJ like does 83.67.91.66 .

• 'Implementation language' is not very interesting IMO
• 'Query Language' seems the most important feature (like to say whether a RDBMS supports SQL or not)
• XQJ is interesting but not crucial as it is specific to Java.
• I agree that XML:DB is dead or nearly dead
• Transactions and RESTful server have been deleted by 83.67.91.66, I think that should be restored. REST should be generalized IMO into something like 'Server protocols' or even Architecture (server vs embeddable)

The opinion of concerned vendors about these changes would be of interest. Xafran (talk) 17:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

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• Java is the most popular language used today.
• XQJ is to XML Databases as JDBC is to Relational Databases.
• Yes, different XML Databases support a "RESTful" style interface, but by no means are any inter-operable.
• XQJ is completely inter-operable.
• There is a discussion prior to the table ABOUT XQJ, bringing the table into context!
• This is not a feature matrix, if we continue to disagree on this the whole table will probably have to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.148.215.156 (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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Well, before writing such arrogant statements like "the whole table will probably have to be removed", as if you were the owner of the page, maybe you should start behaving and use an account instead of a raw IP, and learn the basic WP etiquette. It is also quite childish to call vandalism the act of undoing YOUR vandalism.

You should look at [1] : you will see that you are on the verge of being banned from editing WP. Good public image for your company.

Xafran (talk) 00:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Wrong Steve O'Connell - the page currently links to a British politician. Should be the Microsoft Guru who wrote several key books on coding maybe??? Or even another. It's definitely not a politico though. Am I going t fix it? No.... somebody else please. <3 Happy to help with ID of the issue but I don't often mess with live wiki pages - sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.82.75 (talk) 11:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)